Adhd & Odd - Port Orange,FL

If his behavior reverted the moment he got back in the car with his parents, then I think they have their answer.

I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who has ADHD. On top of that, I have a 1 1/2 year old son whos acting out because hes copying his big sister. He doesnt mean to. One thing that helps out household is stict dicipline and a very routine schedule. If the child gets away with it even one time it makes it sooo much harder the next time. Pretty soon the child runs everything. Also, a routine keeps things "normal". In a child with ADHD nothing seems normal because everything is going so fast in their heads. PATIENCE is huge with these kids!!

wow. my son had that but not until like 4th or 5 th grade. and the cussing did not start until he was 15. he has both DD ADHD and ODD then the bipolar started and the cussing and disrespect started. maybe this child has not been diagnosed right he may had some bipolar or torretts syndrom. and if not diagnosed right then he would not be on right meds for him. it is so hard dealing with kids like this trust me i know. but as he gets older it will noly get worse of they do not get a handle on it now.
do the parents npt disciplin him cause witht hese kids you have to be consistant with the discipline just because they have these sicknesses does not mean you let them get by with whatever they want to. an old fashion spanking may be in order sorry but he is only 4 and spanking him on his behind will not hurt him.even the Bible says spare the rod spoil the child.

First thing to check is his diet. He should avoid all food dyes they are known to aggravate ADD and also to cause aggression. Tell Mom to start reading labels carefully. So many things have dye in them, even pickles! Also you may look into sensitivity to these other things that aggravate this spectrum of disorders: wheat, dairy, refined sugar.
Next see a local homeopathic doctor. My friend has a high energy, very dramatic, moody son and homeopathy helps him a lot. and third, look into getting him a few treatments with a Craniosacral Therapist. CST is a very gentle massage-like technique that can relieve pressure on the brain and spinal cord that may be causing/ aggravating his problems. Good luck.

Sounds to me like his enviroment has a lot to do with his behavior. A child just doesn't swear. They have to learn it from someone. Maybe she needs to look at the people he is exposed to and their behavior. So many parents blame the child for bad behavior and it is what they see while growing up, on television, friends, neighbors, and even parents at times. I know from experience that you can take a child that has been diagnosed with ADHD and ODD and change their lives by changing their enviroment. My nephews boy had this problem. Well when I was visiting I told them. What do you expect? He is around adults that drink, smoke, swear and yell all the time. It is what he is seeing and to him it is normal behavior. Since then they have limited his exposure to this type of behavior and believe it or not. His behavior improved and he is now a A student. He does have spells now and then and when he does they give him medicine. But yet they have not totally removed him from this enviroment....A childs enviroment makes a big difference in their behavior. Don't blame the child. Find what is causing the problem and remove it if at all possible. One day in the Library I heard a man tell his litte four year old daughter that he was going to bust her f@@@@ A@@@@ is she kept it up. I see and hear things like this in Walmart, Publix, and even the school parking lot. Then these parents sit back and wonder what is wrong with their child. Duh!!!!! I am not saying your friend behaves like this but what I am saying is maybe he is seeing this bahavior in places they are going....Medicine is not always the answer and can actually cause a bigger problem.

Dear T.,
Good Evening! If you are in the Broward county area, there is a wonderful place on Broward Blvd. called the Chrysalis Center. They have doctors and counselors there that will even come to you- that is the counselors. They are very concerning and care about the whole family! They are helping my niece who is in my custody and the medication she is on, makes it like Night & Day! Our experience there is wonderful! I wish you's the best and will pray for you's! May God bless your whole family with tranquility!!!
Sincerely,
Kathy N.
PS: Whom I am raising is 8 yrs. old. You truly are not alone!

I didn't read yet what other have posted, but if I echo their suggestions - you should really look into them.

1. Check his diet, ASAP! This is so important and you did not mention this. It's easy to do. Take out dyes and sugars first. Wait about 2 weeks. If that is not helping, take out wheat. Wait a while longer. Yes, dyes do make a difference in my child's actions. He is more agressive and acts out more. This doesn't cause him to curse, but it does cause him to act different. He has characteristics of ADD and this has helped us. I know of another family this has helped - she has FOUR boys! Please don't discount this. Sugar gets anyone hyped up... another marker into creating agression/acting out that does NOT need to be there. I get frustrated with people that say taking sugar and dyes out do nothing for behavior... it really does.

Research to back up my own understanding:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/health/health_article.aspx?story...

http://www.feingold.org/Research/lancet.html

2. Keep consistant. This is so important for little boys. I know from my own little one - he has to have consitancy.

3. He needs extra play like throwing a ball outside, running, biking, etc. Boys have pinned up energy that seem like ADD - but they have no outlets to let it go through. This will get that energy out.

4. He needs councling. That is so important to deal with his animal and people aggression. Get with his pediatrician and talk about suggestions for talk therapy.

5. Swearing doesn't come from being ADD - it comes from adults around him. Kids don't make up words that happen to be curse words. Adults need some discresion around the little one.

6. Look at getting mommie to a parenting class. She might learn a few new techniques that could help with discipline, consistancy, and teaching. She may be a great parent, but even great parents don't have all the info needed to raise a great child.

7. Look at adding in vitamins and minerals. The right kinds of oils like DHA and Flax helps. These essential fatty acids appear to be particularly important for cognitive and behavioral function as well as normal growth and development.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/flaxseed-oil-000304.htm

I'm not sure what behavioral services does or what their mission is - but that is obviously not working. Please try these and you should start seeing some difference.

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Well, my friend pointed out to me what ODD is. I thought you meant in the word "odd", not Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I didn't even know what that was. Anyway, she was familiar with it and says you really need to go through the list that I wrote and to get him on medication as well. She offered up her support if you want to email her - you can email me privately first.

Good luck!

Valerian Root helps very much with kids with this disorder. Another thing the violent is made more by red dye in foods. Caffiene is a good help as their system processes this backwards. it is a calming agent for kids with Adhd. My son was one like your friend's and he turned out to be a wonderful man he is 32 he has a family and works a job. So never give up because they can grow out of most of it.

I raised a hyperactive son 30 yrs. ago.(b4 it was called ADD) Artificial coloring, flavor, and sugar were the biggest offenders. Try Dr. Atkins diet. Natural and low carb.(which means low sugar) Also probiotics every day forever. Look for Kefir(probiotic milk)Get low fat,plain and flavor with stevia based sweetener.

Good luck and God bless,
M.

I sent you a personal message with my input... but I wanted to add here to please not listen to anyone here who blames all of life's ills on sugar and red dye. Sugar may make a child a bit more hyper, but this is different. Sugar does NOT teach a child to swear, nor will it make a child "very violent". This boy's parents need help.

Hi there! I have ADHD and so does my daughters... If he is doing better in the behavioral services places your friend might (if she has not already) consider getting some help herself. Maybe take some specialized parenting classes and such.

Another thing to look at is the childs diet. There are several foods and addictives that have had to be taken out of our home because they trigger the unwanted behaviors. She might want to look at that...

Just trying to throw out as many ideas as I can and please neither of you should feel any judgment this is not an easy road but there are things you can do make it easier... Feel free to message me...

He needs to be evaluated for OT. Sensory Processing Disorder may be his problem. CHildren at age 4 cannot be diagnosed with ADHD, ODD. It is not ethical. SPD is usually the underlying cause. There are many good books on it. They also need a behavioral plan in place, check his sleeping and food allergies.

T. -I feel for you and your friend, 1 of best friends in CA has a son who was just like that. There were 3 of us who met at the PTA meetings and became the 3 Musketeers. We just all got along great because we had things in common, between us we had 10 children. Ages ranged from 6 months old to 12 at that time (2003). This little boy was mean, violent, rude, loud, hyper, had no conscience, just would not listen. We all supported each other until we all moved. My poor friend battled with this little man, fought with doctors and insurance companies for years. Turns out he was diagnosed with Asburgers syndrome (spelling??) at the age of 5 (I think). Children can have lifelong ailments from and early age but doctors are unwilling to diagnose them as some of the symptoms are common for many other reasons. I have a very difficult son who has severe ADHD so they say, but I am still not convinced that he has "just" that. He is 10 now and still failing in school due to behavioural problems.

Unfortunately finding the "right" doctor is usually a nightmare. Check out the National Autism website, they will guide you through the symptoms, there are hundreds of types in the autusm spectrum. I will pray for her/you because I understand what she is going through. Good luck.
M. F

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Dr Mary Anne Block, has created an amazing center for treating kids naturally and effectively, from ADHD to many other problems.

I am sorry that I have no advice to give on this. I have never met a child like that before.

All I can do is PRAY for him.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. God Bless and take care.

Have any of the professionals suggested that your friend get some training? Going right back into the same situations will trigger the same behaviors from the child.

Sometimes we enable without knowing it. She will need to watch him carefully around animals and smaller children.

She may want to check Nemours Childrens Hospital. They'll have information and resources specifically for kids.

I wish her good luck.

WestonPrice for nutrition- very important- off all sugar, usually increase b vits- but they need to be whole food supplements.
And YokaReeder.com will help.
Obviously the behavioral services place was bunk.
Oh, and International Chiropractic Pediatric Asson for someone to check for food allergies which can also effect behavior- best, k

There is likely something very stressful or abusive in that child's background. Therapeutically he needs holistic therapies that will help him heal his emotions and clear stress and frustration. This would involve therapies that work with energy medicine (acupressure, reiki, therapeutic touch, etc.) arts and crafts, music and sound healing, play therapy, nutritional and dietary changes, and family therapy. The ADHD meds are dangerous and often contribute to worse problems as they only temporarily suppress symptoms even when they do appear to "work". You can read about holistic approaches to ADHD and behavior issues at http://www.phinsights.com/adhd.html

From what you have said it sounds like it is the parents. Not that she is a bad parent but if his behavior changes as soon as he is back with his mother then It seams like it is just that he knows what he can get away with. Also it cold be a lack of schedule. Very often many children with behavioral problems can have a lot of help with a very strict schedule. That is something that I’m sure they are doing at the behavioral services place. At 4 she should be able to make him a daily chart and can use pictures for the activities and hang a digital clock in the house so he can see that it is 7:00 time to take a bath. If he has an appointment on Wednesday at 2:00 she needs to tell him about it every day for at least a week so when it happens he isn’t surprised. I doubt it will be a miraculous cure but it may make things more easy to manage. Also I would give some of the diet therapies a try. There are multiple ones out there. It doesn’t hurt to try.