Aspergers? Follow up to Last Post

Updated on July 25, 2012
L.S. asks from Madison, WI
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Thank you very much to everyone who responded to my previous post!!!  Many of you even offered to help me and/or my husband personally!  I think that is amazing and really makes me feel blessed to know this site full of wonderful caring moms and dads is available.

This is a followup to my last but is too long to post as an ETA, so sorry if doesn't seem to make much sense.  For a little background, in strongly suspect my  8yo stepson has aspergers syndrome or some ASD, but my husband thinks he is just very immature. 

Many people suggested limiting SS's 'screen time' to see if that would help break through the fog. I completely agree with this and feel he spends WAY too much time with his electronics. Unfortunately this is another ongoing argument with my husband. We used to limit his TV and gaming by making him earn screen time. He could earn time watching or gaming by first spending an equal amount of time on healthier activities (ie. 1 hour playing outside earns 1 hour video games). But at mom's house he has no limitations at all, so he soon started saying that he didn't want to go to dad's house. My husband caved almost immediately and removed all restrictions from TV and games. Now he literally spends all day in front of the TV.  We can occasionally to get him to play board games or build legos, but he spends the whole time talking about his video games and only half-heartedly participates. It's really very sad. 

Thankfully my husband agrees with me that meal times are family times, and even he insists on no TV then.  Someone previously mentioned 'try modeling proper behavior and monitor him to see how he responds after a month or so'.  Well dinner time is a perfect example of how we've been trying this and why I think he doesn't respond to modeling or our ability to teach him social skills and he needs more help than we're capable of giving. SS has poor table manners in general. I don't think it's because he's rude per se; I think he genuinely doesn't understand why we care about them. For 2 years now we've made a focused effort to teach him how to properly use silverware and a napkin, to chew with his mouth closed, not talk with his mouth full, take small bites and sit his whole bottom in the chair. We have never had a single meal in 2 years where he made it through without talking about at least one of these issues. We don't yell (though we do get frustrated); we show him how to do it correctly or explain why we do things a certain way. Part of the problem is that at his mother's house they don't have dinner together (he sits by himself in front of the TV) and he is allowed to eat with his hands (they're Asian so this is cultural, but he eats American food like this as well...inappropriate things like pancakes with syrup or scrambled eggs, etc). So after his week at his mom's SS 'forgets' his good manners and we have to start all over. However after 2 years he should definitely be able to remember to way things are done at our house or in public at restaurants.  I really don't think it's that he's rude...I think he's so unconcerned with other people and their perceptions that he never thinks about manners or 'proper' behavior. 

It's the same thing with saying 'please' and 'thank you'. Our whole family really stresses manners and politeness. I often receive compliments about my 2yo daughter, my 3yo nephew and my 5yo niece. They are great with this. In fact my daughter and nephew even throw "polite tantrums"...they cry and do the dramatic fall-to-the-ground but they still say 'no thank you' during their tantrums :-). However SS has to be reminded most of the time. Again I think this is because he just doesn't pay enough attention to the world around him to pick up this stuff automatically.  But the absolute clincher for me is this: his Lao-speaking grandmother lives at his mother's house full time, and has since he was 2 years old. She speaks exclusively Lao with only very limited broken English. SS's mother is bilingual and she speaks to her mother only in Lao. However SS doesn't speak or understand it. The only Lao word he knows is 'hello'.  Why his mother didn't make sure he could speak her language if she's a native speaker is beyond me, but that's not the point. After 6 years of living in that environment and listening to it constantly, it seems to me that he should have 'accidentally' picked up way more than that. But he's so disinterested in other people that he tunes them out entirely. I realize that he lives in front of the television...but even when my daughter is watching TV and I think she's tuned out I have to be careful with what I say to other people in the room; she's  still somewhat aware of what's going on around her and will parrot something that catches her ear, even when immersed in Sesame Street...

So getting to the actual point... I tried to talk to my husband last night about testing SS after reading all your suggestions. He's still adamant that there will be no testing. He says it's our job as parents to teach SS social skills and SS doesn't need any special help. He's convinced that SS will grow out of his 'quirks' eventually. I tried to talk about how hate that SS doesn't have any friends and if he had help he could learn how to make and keep friendships; I said that I'm not criticizing SS and only want the best for him; I said SS won't have to be medicated but it could be a step toward making life easier for SS; i tried everything that was suggested but my husband is not budging. 

Some of you mentioned getting help,from the school. I'll definitely try that route when school starts next month. And Unfortunately SS's mother is even worse than my husband. Last year I took SS to the pediatrician to have him tested for UTI and bladder and kidney infections (because of both bed wetting and daytime wetting). She came to the appointment and denied that he wets the bed at her house (even though SS says he does it there too; they sleep in bed together and he says he has to help change the sheets in the morning because he wets them). So she lied to the doctor right in front of poor SS. He of course didn't speak up (I doubt he was even listening) and i said I had been told that he did wet the bed at her house, but didn't make a big scene because there was really no use. Btw it turned out he didn't have any medical reason for wetting. 

So basically nothing has changed but I wanted to update everyone and thank you for being so amazing and helpful. If anything changes I'll be sure to let all of you know. Thanks again for being so supportive and helpful, and for all your wonderful comments!!!  

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J.S.

answers from Hartford on

With the toileting issues added in to yesterday's post, with the kidney and UTI issues likely from withholding urine and feces, his lack of "getting it" on why manners are important, his disinterest in social activities... everything you added here today including yesterday really does paint an Autism picture to me.

And if it's indeed Autism (which Asperger's is, make no mistake) then he will not outgrow it. He will need some specialized, tailored therapies to help him.

You can try minimizing some behaviors by reducing or eliminating some things from his diet such as high fructose corn syrup, artificial food dyes, and see if he's lactose intolerant, gluten intolerant, or has any other food allergies. When a child with Autism doesn't feel well due to food allergies and intolerances their autistic behaviors are worse than they normally would be. Not to mention the chemical components of things like HFCS and food dyes are like giving 40 proof alcohol to a child because their liver and kidneys can't metabolize it, so it courses through their bodies including the brain until they can expel it.

Reducing video games and TV is a must. Those things can be very engaging and educational for an autistic child, but they draw the child away from social interactions. I should say that we caught my daughter's ASD somewhat early... she was in preschool... and she's 9 yrs old now and we still have to really work with her on manners. Hello, good-bye, please, thank you... she's good at it sometimes but most times she needs reminders. It's when eye contact is required that she fudges it. Social awareness and the social niceties and rules that seem obvious to us, even the unwritten ones, are often seemingly impossible even for adult autistics who have had a lot of training and practice.

You might try establishing as much of a stable routine as you can and post it in a couple of easy to see locations in the house. The fridge, the front foyer, his bedroom, the bathroom. Include every major aspect of his day with the time on it. Laminate it. Use velcro for days when you have to add in a variable. He'll probably do well if he doesn't have to deal with surprises as much.

I would also suggest getting the books "Raising a Sensory Smart Child" and "The Out Of Sync Child." They are about Sensory Integration Disorder, but address it very strongly regarding having it with Autism. I also suggest "Different, Not Less" and "The Way I See It" by Temple Grandin. They're all very good reads and you may recognize your stepson in them. There's no shame in ASD... and perhaps with these books you can help your husband see that. There's no shame in asking for help when the family isn't qualified therapists and specialists.

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J.W.

answers from St. Louis on

I remember when my oldest was seven. I was talking to his psychiatrist and said we play a lot of video games do you think I should cut back. She said kids with ADHD will fail, they will fail a lot. One thing they are good at is video games, don't take that away from him.

It should never be allowed to interfere with school work and household responsibilities. It is just, in itself, not a bad thing. You listed a mess of things he isn't good at, manners, social skills, friends, so why take away what he is good at.

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M.S.

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You should check out Born on a Blue Day by Daniel Tammet. It is the story of a man who has Asperger's from his own point of view. I think it might give your husband a different perspective and understanding of what your son feels like. And, if he isn't a reader, you may have to read interesting passages to him or maybe read the book with him, or to him? It really opened up my eyes to why people with ASD act so differently when we try so hard with normal means to help them and it doesn't work.

Your SS is NOT immature, or not just immature, but he has really social and maybe medical NEEDS that are not being met by ignoring them, and your husband needs to understand that. I don't know how to get through to him though, maybe find a counselor that can help you help him understand. He may need some sensory deprivation exercises toreally be able to comprehend that your son needs help! The earlier the better and the better chance he has at living a normal life, but he is not going to have shot at one if things don't change.
(Since mom and dad can't seem to "get" it, maybe that's why god gave him you as a stepmom to take care of the little guy that you so obviously love. Good for you, someone has to protect him and I'm so glad he has you on his side!)

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D.P.

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Oh I feel for you and your stepson. I'm sure his teachers notice the same things you have noticed. Trying to get the school involved could help with getting the parents to be more open.
People with Asperger's have many strengths which should be recognized. A vast majority of boy's with aspergers are intrigued by systems and are amazingly talented in working with technology (including video games). By taking away video games, etc. you may be taking away a "safe place" for him and keeping him from feeling successful and relaxed. (By the way "tv time" and video game playing do not cause Asperger's or ADHD; children with these conditions are drawn to these activities for specific reasons.) I recommend reading up on Asperger's so you can understand more about it. The following is an extraordinary book and it might help you in explaining Asperger's to your husband because it takes a very positive and affirming approach to so-called disabilities:
Neurodiversity: Discovering the Extraordinary Gifts of Autism, ADHD, Dyslexia, and Other Brain Differences by Thomas Armstrong

Perhaps you can get your husband to read something. There are so many excellent therapies and services for children with Asperger's, but a diagnosis is needed. Social skills therapy can be so helpful for a child.
He is lucky that he has you to be his advocate and champion. Keep up the good fight!

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J.B.

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Oh this breaks my heart that things didn't go well with your DH last night but please do not be daunted.

Honestly the biggest red flag to me of all you have written is the toe walking (referenced in the other post). Toe walking past age 3 is a major, major red flag. You know how with Down Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy there are physical markers and signs that there are neurological problems? Toe walking is like that with Autism. The prevalence of toe walking is much higher in the population of those on the Autism spectrum than in the general population. I realize that my personal experience isn't data, but I can say that every child I've met who has consistently toe walked past age 3 (about 5 kids) has some form of Autism.

Perhaps with something that obvious and physical you can get your husband to consent to a doctor's appointment. He will need to address this because the window of time to physically correct this is small and if you don't intervene while a child is growing, it may lead to other musculo-skeletal problems down the road.

Maybe for now you just have to be persistent in getting your husband and your SS's mom to treat his various symptoms and then later they'll have to hear the truth from someone else that puts it all together.

FWIW I would try to get a hold of the school psychologist before school starts and things get crazy. Many of the support staff do work during the summer - you can call and find out when he or she is around and try to do what you can.

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