Does Anyone Know Anything About the Government Run Health Care?

That is one interpretation. The thing about obamacare is that it VERY fuzzy in it's language so really hard to tell. It is kinda like the "what the definition of "is" is" talk one president had. It talks in loops and can say so many things while not saying anything.

It's called socialism. And anything that is Government run does not work. It is unconstitutional to force the American public to buy into a health care system and the Government will not force me to inject poison into my children.

Lisa

there is no government run health care. It is only regulating the health care industry, and they wont force you to get your children vaccinated. It's a health care reform bill, we do not suddenly have government run health care.

It's there to insure that you can get health care if you want, for example, my mother and brother (breast cancer survivor and asthma sufferer, respectively) can now get health care and it's affordable. No one is going to force you to vaccinate your children.

YOUR coverage is NOT going to change. Arrrrggh. This is for people who are UNINSURED. Sorry--this knee-jerk babbling just kills me.

Really?

There IS NO Government Run Health Care! The healthcare reform act simply requires that most Americans have health insurance and puts limits on HMOs so they can't drop you when you get sick or raise your rates beyond a certain level or put limits on how much they will treatment they will cover. No on is trying to control the medical decisions you make for your families. Good grief.

You seem like you're sincere in your question, so my advice is to spend a bit of time actually researching some of these things if you are concerned. Don't listen to pundits or random people who tell you their opinions about what they just "feel" like is happening. Also, "Obamacare" is a pejorative. I'd avoid using that term if you want people to respond to you seriously.

T.

The proposed government controlled health care plan is still in process of being written. Nothing has been approved as yet. I'm sure that "they" will not be able to force you to get vaccinations for your children. There are many rumors going around. I don't listen to them because they are rumors. Nothing has been decided yet.

I think that delaying vaccinations to a certain degree is fine - but completely going without? Absolutely not. There are so many studies - even many that aren't American - that prove vaccinations help the whole only if at least 95% get the vaccines.

Do you want to return to where polio is a deadly issue? Whooping cough (pertussis) has already made a major comeback in the 10 years parents decided to stop giving their children the vaccine.

Why allow any child or adult the possibility of getting a major illness and possibly die rather than to get the vaccine for it? Maybe you should google how many children and adults died from Whooping Cough the last few years!

The mumps... Moms of baby boys - do you want your son's childhood illness cause a lasting damage of sterility when you could have just gotten the vaccine?

This is the reason why people get all up in arms about the new healthcare initiative. They say this kind of stuff when they don't know the facts. The rhetoric thrown around is used to confuse the issues - government run (there's no public option), socialism run amok (social security and Medicare, every senior's favorite US benefits, are social programs. They were part of the New Deal after the Great Depression, which FDR fought hard to get passed, and without them, old people would be living on the streets like in third world countries today.). Even our school system is a social program.

Instead of asking about the healthcare bill here, find a reputable, non-partisan, educated source and read up on it. That's better than listening to opinions.

Dawn

As a previous post states, there is no government run healthcare. The Public Option was removed from the bill. It is an interesting question as an example of the kind of decisions we need to make as a nation. If someone chooses to not follow recommendations and that action puts themselves or others at risk, should the rest of us pay for that decision? Very, very difficult question. How do we balance an individual's right to make decisions about themselves and family members and the rest of us having to pay for those decisions? If we ever want to get to the cost of health care it is one we will someday have to talk about and deal with.

As others have said, it's nowhere near being government-run healthcare. Trust me, people in all of the other modern nations out there that have it will flatly tell you this is nothing like the vast benefits they receive.

It's just going to give people without health insurance easier access to insurance. If this now allows you to obtain insurance, you're still dealing with private insurers, so you abide by whatever they dictate, same as now. As far as I know, they don't dictate immunizations so you still have time to catch up.

No, it will not require vaccinations. As many have also noted, the new Healthcare Reform Law DOES NOT implement Govnerment Run Healthcare (like medicare, which seems that most opposed to government run healthcare have no problem with maintaing the medicare program, but thats a different argument). It regulates current healthcare programs to make them more accessible to everyone so that we don't have the millions of uninsured people that we currently have.

What is written into the law when it comes to vaccines is easier and more affordable access to the full schedule of vaccinations, which has been difficult for low-income, medicaid recipients, non-insured individuals, and even some individuals with insurance already in place, as well as easier access for adults and seniors to prevantative care that may have been difficult through their current insurance program. You are still free to make choices on your own healthcare as you see fit, meaning if you choose not to vaccinate, then that is your choice. They won't do anything about it.

I don't think that will go over well with parents who choose not to vaccinate for religious reasons or for whatever reason. I know in California, you can go to any school without vaccines as long as you sign a form and show the immuz. card that states you are declining for religious reasons. Some private schools can make it very hard for you to get in if you don't have them though.

Not sure... how many thousands of un-read pages was that bill.... ?

If the government can force us to purchase insurance or be fined (which is a provision of the new healthcare) then I would think they could also force you to vaccinate your kids right? I don't know if it's a provision, because like my legislator, I haven't read the entire bill. But I am wondering now and will have to research it.......

Like most of our legislators I have not read the bill in its entirety. :P

I would imagine that such a provision would have major 1st Amendment problems (religious freedom). On the other hand, with the insurance being administered via private companies the 1st Amendment argument may be weakened.

The thing that concerns me is the massive database of our health histories (compiled in one place). Once that system is set up who knows what abuses will or could occur. It sounds like a wonderful idea on the surface; however, I can imagine that it will make it very easy to mine data, locate non-compliant people, etc. Perhaps at some point you will not be able to access public places unless you've had your flu shot (or any of the 30+ other vaccines/boosters). At least in that scenario "public health" won't ride almost solely on our children's and babies' shoulders like it does now (not that I agree with it).

This is one of those issues that can have far-reaching consequences. I will be watching to see what happens, and I will be prepared to object (peacefully and within legal means of course) to usurpations of our individual liberties.

I love how this simple question gets comments about socialism. Jeez... We are so afraid of everything here. Socialism isnt working in Canada and European Countries? And dont give me the $%* about long lines for doctors, poor health care...I have family in Canada. All the negatives they feed us here is BS...Capitalism is working well here though isnt it? The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and the "middle class" are so far off from the rich, its pathetic...but hey...I still have the "right" to be a millionare. Whatever!! As for shots, the autism theory has been thrown out time and time again. Thank God I give my kids the shots, because it disturbs me that my kids go to school w/ children who for "religious reasons" dont get the shots. This is a hot topic for many. I said my opinion that isnt worth anything to anyone except me...

In NYS at least, your child cannot enter kindergarten without the full schedule of vaccinations.
Also, as I found out this past year, your child will also not be allow on campus of a NYS college without the menningitis vaccine...
So really, what's the difference?