i have a 5yr old daughter and she has had 8 uti and all due to her pooping in her pants. she is potty trained but she still has accidents especially at school! she has gotten xrays on kidneys and xrays on her bladder and everything is 100.she is on antibiotics for the next 6 months to prevent a further uti! how can I help her to get her going properly and what can I give her that is natural?? I am now starting counceling next week do to Docs request!
thank you ladies for your advice!!! so I have been seeing a urologist from childrens hospital they did ultrasounds on her bladder and kidney everything was ok. they did the catheter test to see check her backflow and everything was normal. the urologist wasn't worried because everything was normal so he put her on a preventative. I also seen the gastrologist from the childrens hospital or her constipation and poop issues and none were found everything was fine!
as for me I have drasticly cut my hours from work to spend more time with her and im starting to pinpoint when she is getting infections. at first she wasn't telling her teacher that she would have an accident because she felt embarrassed. and she would come home from school pooped so yes she sat in it for a long time. now ive been working closely with her and now she at least tells her teacher and she has been one month uti free. she no longer comes home from school pooped and her accidents are now 2/3 times a week that is still a lot but its an improvement!! I feel like maybe it was my fault because ive always been a working mother and barely making it instead of spending all the time with her!!
I am giving her a fiber rich diet also I give her raw probiotics that I got at sprouts and d-mannose powder in her water to help the ecoli slip right out of her urine . I am stll giving her the antibiotics!! I to feel likes the antibiotics is to much but right now I just don't know what else to do im 1 month into the antibiotics. also every uti she has had the culture comes back with the ecoli so (poop) also everytime shes had an infection she is never in pain no fevers no blood in stool or pee I always know cause her urine smells different.
thank you ladies for all your positive feed back and I will continue to work and watch her closely!!! and for some reason I cant respond to your coments so sorry if im doing this wrong lol maybe its my computer.
Find a new doctor. Antibiotics WEAKEN the immune system and are really not helping her. They cause the runs which may be why she is pooping in her pants.
Others have suggested cranberry juice but blueberries and cherries also have the same benefits as cranberries.
ETA - I doubt your daughter has encopresis - https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/encopresis#1 - that would have been detected by the doctors if you are really working with doctors.
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Your doctor gave antibiotics for SIX MONTHS?!?!? that's INSANE. TOTALLY INSANE.
Does she take bubble baths? Extended bubble baths can cause bladder infections.
Just pooping on ones pants does not cause bladder infections - unless she is sitting in it for hours and not cleaning properly. Your daughter is NOT potty trained if she is having accidents at school.
Cranberry juice helps bladder production.She's FIVE. She should know how to wipe herself. Front to back - not back to front. You need to help her with this.
You said tests have been done - has her urethra been checked to ensure it's wide and long enough? It's not a "fun" procedure - however - having a urethra that is NOT developed (wide enough or too long) can cause issues as well.
Maybe she's not clearing her bladder completely when she is urinating?
WHY is she having poop/bowel accidents at school? There is sooo much more to this.
I'm just REALLY bothered that a doctor put her on antibiotics for SIX MONTHS!!
You are working with doctors so do not attempt any home remedies.
Follow the doctors advice.
Work with the counselor and follow their advice too.
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Perhaps you should put her in pullups.
Pullups are very absorbent so it might help keep her dry enough to cut down on the infections.
ETA: I like Diane's advice. I think you need to figure out if the soiling is her not being fully potty trained (possible and no shame there), to whether there's a physical problem (also possible), to psychological - which can be a result of the physical and the stress of having it at school at this point. One of my children had anxiety as a result of school and having to rush to the washroom to go. Another one of my children had a few pee accidents from having to rush in at recess from the playground because just got too busy playing around that age. It happens. If this repeatedly happens - then of course it becomes stressful.
Then the UTI's are a whole other thing that seems secondary but also upsetting and painful. I think I had one years ago, and that's got to be debilitating to a small child - eight of them???
This is why I'm asking who you've seen. Eight UTI's by age 5 seems very extreme and they should be addressing this more seriously I think, and not leaving it up to you to figure out. There should be a team looking at this I think, and I'm glad they have a counselor involved to guide you on how to help your daughter handle it. Best to you and keep us up to date - other moms/families will benefit.
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I am not familiar with UTI's in kids and what that has to do with accidents - because my kids didn't get them while in diapers, so I'm confused about the link there. Is she not alerting anyone at school she's had an accident?
I also don't understand how you can be on antibiotics for 6 months as a preventative measure - I'm just not following. My children had chronic ear infections and never took antibiotics for prevention. I didn't think they worked that way.
I personally think you need a second opinion.
I don't know what 'everything is 100' means.
What does "I am now starting counseling' - do you mean for you, for you and your daughter, or for your daughter? How so? Are you assuming her accidents are psychological? Why is this?
I find this question confusing. What doctors/specialists have you seen?
unless she's sitting in her soiled pants for hours it's very unlikely that her bowel issues are causing the UTIs. hopefully you're sending her in disposable undies, with extras, and the school is aware of her issue and being helpful.
i'm not buying the 6 months of preventative antibiotics. that's kinda crazy. if your pediatrician really has prescribed this i'd start shopping for a new one.
going to counseling sounds like a good idea. a way better idea than taking the advice of strangers on the internet.
hope everything works out.
khairete
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Are you sure you are not just stuck in a loop? The accidents might be caused by the antibiotics used to treat the UTIs. I would make sure to add a probiotic while giving the antibiotic especially if she is going to be on it for so long. Prolonged or strong antibiotics can cause C-diff. an extreme form of diarrhea. It is horrible for adults and older children and can be deadly to young children due to the danger of dehydration. Your doctor should be able to prescribe or suggest an OTC probiotic to give while she is on the antibiotic. Good luck and hang in there.
My mother used to get a lot of UTIs, because of her advanced age and having been treated for the issue with antibiotics, which made the issue worse. What worked for her was a diet of probiotics, in the form of Kefir, DanActive and sometimes, FlorAstor. She hasn't needed to get on antibiotics for the UTIs for months now. This is the only thing that worked for her. I agree with others that six months of antibiotics sounds extreme and could cause more harm than good. I'd consult with other doctors, get a second or third opinion.
A responsible doctor would not give anyone 6 months of antibiotics. Has her doctor recommended cranberry juice? I"m glad you're following through with the counseling.
Has she been tested for clostridium difficile (aka C. diff.)? Last week, I just had a conversation with a mom who's 6 year old was pooping in her pants (at school) and was diagnosed with C. Diff (which is an infection in the gut caused by "bad" bacteria).
Being on antibiotics, from UTI's, causes the "good" bacteria in the gut to disappear, allowing the "bad" bacteria to grow. I don't think she has UTI's due to her pooping - maybe she has the pooping due to her UTI's and antibiotics.
I'd ask for a C. Diff test if she hasn't already gotten one (or push or find another doctor if they won't test her).
There's so much information on the Internet about it, but I found this with a simple search:
"Urinary tract infections (UTIs) are common indications for antibiotics in these patients, often resulting in C. difficile"...
" treatment of urinary tract infection in patients at high risk of Clostridium difficile infection"
I hope you gets answers soon.
She isn't potty trained if she is still having day time accidents. UTIs are just one of many issues she is going to have because of this. If it hasn't happened already, her peers are going to start ostrasizing her. For this reason alone, she needs counseling.
Antibiotics can be tough on the digestive system. I would start giving her probiotics. That may help her have more solid movements.
I think your focus should be on addressing the gastro issue. You need to determine if this is voluntary on her part, and that may require help from a GI specialist.
Your daughter has encopresis.
If you can resolve that, hopefully, the uti will stop occurring.
Best of luck. I know 2 parents that dealt with this. The one child stopped soiling at 9 yo. The other child is 9 and is still having issues.
Nothing natural is going to work here. There are more physical things to test in addition to kidneys and bladder. Keep working with the doctors. Counseling and therapy is also a must. There may be psychological factors. Have you talked to the school since it seems she has most of her issue there? Have you been consistent in training her? What is her diet like? Does she display any behavior issues? Does she have other developmental delays for her age in other areas? Is her home life stable and secure? Does she get attention at home? There are many things to consider.
