Shots! - Berkley,MI

I have the same concerns you do, and as a result I haven't allowed either of my kids to get the shot. I would also like to find someone who separates the shots -- my pediatrician's office wouldn't do it. It is a scary and tough decision, but the more I read, the more I'm convinced that I'm doing the right thing.

Have you read any of the research around this debate? Here are some web sites: www.nvic.org www.novaccine.com http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

I feel the same way about the MMR my husband and I decided not to give our child the shot when the time comes, I would rater deal with Mealsles or Mumps rather than Autisum. Hope my opinon helps!

Hi 2 days ago I took my daughter to get her shots she needed a tendus shot. The thing is she is afraid of doctors and she is 12 but we found a really good nurse that found a way so the shot did not even hurt her! This is how she did it: Find something your kid likes to do, my daughter liked clairenet. Then you tell them to do something related to what they like, like I need you to blow like you are blowing on a clairenet and think about it, that will keep them distracted and it will ot hurt as much! So you can use that for any shot!

go to MaryTocco.com this will give you all the advice you need regarding the shots you are considering for your little one.

I'd be more afraid of your daughter getting measles, mumps or whatnot from other kids that haven't been vaccinated.
Autism isn't aquired by having the MMR shot.... its just coincidence that the more severe symptoms show at the same time the MMR is recieved. There are less obvious symptoms of autism that show in babyhood.

If you have questions regarding the MMR shot and would like more reassurance... please check out www.autimspeaks.org .. or speak to your childs ped doc.

Autism, according to the most current research, may fall on the 16th Chromosome, but can sit on about 100 different genes.

Obviously, you have to do what you feel comfortable with.. Also, girls have a much lower occurance to autism. Its more prevelent in boys.

Beverly Hills Pediatrics
(cell phone is dead cant pull the number now maybe ###-###-#### :))

anyway they do all single dose vaccines :)

any dr there is great

Sorry this is kind of lengthy - but here goes....My sister got the following info from a dr specializing in vaccines from Children's Hospital. My niece developed a seizure disorder within 24 hrs of getting her 6 mos shots (according to the dr schedule most people follow). She currently sees the head neurologist at Childrens. She is doing great, rarely has breakthrough seizures, but I can see where you are concerned and don't want to risk any unnecessary harm to your child. My son is only 12 days younger than my niece so since then we have split his shots up just to be cautionary. He has done much better on this plan. No side effects at all (same with other nieces and nephews that are all the same age). There is also a website (www.childhoodshots.com) you could check out but I personally don't know much about it. My family has used the recommendations from the dr at Childrens.

I would take this schedule to your dr and ask that they work with you. They can be ordered separately, it just may require more work on their part. My dr has been great with this. One interesting note - they "normally" give the measles and chicken pox vaccines together, which I wanted to separate because I myself got the measles from the vaccine (granted, nearly 30 years ago but still), and I had a HORRIBLE case of chicken pox, so I didn't want to take any chances with my son. (I am also allergic to neomycin which may have contributed to both - see schedule). So we scheduled them 2 weeks apart and then the nurse called and said if you don't get them together then you have to wait at least 30 days before you get the other. Interesting that you can get them at the same time, but there is some problem if they are not the same time but have to wait a month? My dr didn't know that time-frame either (he just noramlly follows the typical schedule) - so it has been enlightening for him as well!

I personally have continued to vaccinate my son (as I will with the one on the way), but on my terms and schedule. My sister has not done any vaccinations for my niece since the seizures appeared, but is not opposed to them (and will probably vaccinate her baby due next month according to the following schedule.) Bottom line is do your research and decide what is best for your family. Good luck

Vaccination Recommendations and Schedule

General Recommendations:
If child is not in Daycare, give Hep B at age 4
Varicella – ages 4-5 years. Check titer first for immunity
Do not give vaccine if child is allergic to components:
Yeast – Hep B
Eggs – MMR
Neomycin – MMR or Varicella
Do not give live viral vaccines to immunodeficient children
Use Thimerosol free vaccines (always read package insert)
Do not vaccinate ill children
Give vitamin C before and after vaccinations
(150mg before and after for child under 2 years)
Use DTaP consistently
Space vaccines where possible. Don’t cover 6-9 in one day
Cod liver oil daily if applicable

Recommended Vaccination Schedule
4 months Hib IPV
5 months DTaP
6 months Hib IPV
7 months DTaP
8 months Hib
9 months DTaP
15 months Measles (give MMR separate – order split dose vials)
17 months Hib IPV
18 months DTaP
21 months Mumps
27 months Rubella
4-5 years Varicella
4-5 years Hep B
4-5 years DTaP IPV
4-5 years Test titers for MMR and do not give unless not immune

Immunize only for vaccines found to be negative (via titer)

My best advice is to do some research before you make your decision. I know that the vast majority of pediatricians will tell you that there is no evidence that the MMR is linked to autism however my family's experience leads me to think otherwise... My nephew started showing signs of being on the autism spectrum shortly after receiving the MMR and a flu shot that had thimerosol (mercury). Now, 5 years later, he just had his titers tested for Measles. If a person's titers are 6 or more, they are said to have immunity to a disease. His titers for Measles were at 100 - and since the test only goes up to 100, chances are that his actual count is MUCH higher. This basically means that the vaccine-related measles virus is colonizing in his body... Now how can doctors say that has nothing to do with his behaviors?!?!?! Anyway, if you look at the diseases that MMR protects against, it will help you to make your decision... Measles are treatable and only 0.2% of cases are fatal. Mumps is an extrememly mild disease in babies in kids - most don't even realize they have it. It can be severe in teenagers in adults but getting the vaccine at 18 months does not guarantee a teenager or adult immunity (in fact, during an outbreak recently on a college campus, it was found that the majority of the victims had been vaccinated as kids). Rubella is completely harmless for children. There is a risk for a fetus if a pregnant mother contracts the disease but that's about it... askdrsears.com is a good resource to find information about vaccines and the diseases they aim to prevent. He doesn't try to sway parents either way - he thinks it's important for each family to make a decision that works best for them. And I think that's the best advice. My daughter has received some vaccines but at a much slower rate than what the CDC says is "safe" (no more than one per visit with at least a month's recovery time in between shots). I'm also giong to forgo a few of the vaccines altogether because I don't feel the diseases they aim to prevent are that bad (like chicken pox) - they're more of an inconvenience - and I'd rather not inject unneeded toxins into my child's body. Best wishes and good luck!

Hello,
I tried to find somwhere to break up the shots but was unsuccessful. I waited until my daughter was 2 years old to give her the MMR, I also did not give her any other shot that visit and I made sure she was very healthy for at least a month prior to the shot. It is so scary...I completly understand your fear. I really wanted to be sure that my daughter was communicating and developing appropriately for her age prior to the vacination. This was to ease my mind that she was not presenting any symtoms of autism.

Good luck.

Hi There!
A word of encouragement to you, S.. Non of our 3 sons(11,7,2yrs) are vaccinated and are in top health !I have many friends whoms kids are not vaccinated! You may want to check with this local, reputable organization to get more educated and info on vaccinations: www.momvaccines.org
They also offer a list of medical professionals that are friendly towards parents who are choosy with vaccinating their children.
Hope this helps!
May the LORD give you peace, be your strength and guide!
C. W.

Hi, my name is D.. I am a pharmacist and mother of a 15 month old. Myself and many of the other pharmacists I work with have young children and most of us have decided to wait until they are 2 before giving them the MMR vaccine. I know that there is no mercury in the vaccine, but I am still nervous so at my daughters 15 month appt. yesterday my husband told the nurse that we were waiting until she is 2, and she even said that most parents are doing that. Some of the other vaccines I find unnecessary I'm not giving her either, like hepatitis A or chickenpox.
D.

i have been at beverly hills peds for over 8 yrs and they did offer the mmr separated in 2002/03 but they no longer do. i just called b/c i was very excited to read here they are doing it again, but they are not. their #'s are ###-###-#### and ###-###-#### and the head of nursing is julie. i'm trying to get them to grant an exception since i have 5 kids i'd vaccinate (eventually) if it was separated, but so far they will not. they have to order the separated shots in units of 10 and are afraid the ones i don't use will go to waste and cost them money ... but i know other parents would use them if they knew they were available. i've been making this argument since '03 to no avail. if someone knows for certain - firsthand, like you did it yourself - of any ped in oakland county separating the shots, i'd love to know about it !

my approach to vaxing is common sense, i think. i won't vax at all until after a yr. then i do one per yr. i never do them if my children are sick or not feeling well. vaxes are supposed to work by tricking the body that it has been exposed to a certain disease so the body makes a blueprint against future exposures, right? so when in nature can a person go out and catch measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diptheria and pertussis all at the same time?! docs have begun vaxing this way b/c it is cost and time efficient for them, not b/c it's best for the human body. just like they preserved the vaxes in thimerisol b/c it was cost and time and storage efficient for them, not good for ppl. if you expose a body to so many diseases at the same time, how does the body know which ones to choose to make a foolproof blueprint against ? if the child has a severe reaction, how do you know which vax did it ? no thanks, i won't take those risks w/ my children!

i still b/l in vaxing for life threatening illnesses, but on my common sense terms. it's no wonder most vaxes only have a 30% efficacy rate when dr.s confuse the body by inundating it w/ up to 6 vaxes at a visit ! my kids actually caught chicken pox at school last yr from a kid who'd just gotten his cp booster the day before. he also developed chicken pox from it.

i don't do hep b at all b/c it's very hard to contract (body fluids) and dh and i have both been tested and vaxed for it for our professions so i know we don't have it (and we are the sole caregivers). now when my kids opt to start football or other high contact/possibly violent activities, i will probably opt to do it. i don't do any of the newer ones. i will probably do the mmr combined w/ my 6 and 8 yo's now that their immune systems are more developed as i wouldn't want them to ever expose a pregnant woman, but i'm still on a mission to find someone willing to separate it for us before i decide for sure.

ps - my 3rd son was diagnosed w/ a seizure disorder at 17 mos (not vax related as he'd only had one at about 14 mos so far...) but i will not do another until he has been seizure free for 2 yrs.

Medical Center Pediatrics in Bingham Farms will separate. We had an agreement with our ped that we were not going to vaccinate unless there was an outbreak, but there were just two cases of measles reported recently so we only did that one

HI S.
My 5yo hasn't had any shots, yet. I took a vax class at the holistic midwifery ins in AnnArbor ###-###-####, great class. And was working on making our delayed vax schedual w/ our Doc. I looked measles up and there were only 4 cases in MI, 22 in NY, 15 AZ, 12CA, 4 WI. My plan was to keep my daughter out of harms way in till she was 5. Now she's 5, I talked to the Doc about MMR, he said the high risk part is over. Don't worry about it unless there is an outbreak, then come in for it. Or if she doesn't get rubella before say college, aiming for before she gets pregnant.
My Doc said they could get separate shots, there close to 500.00 each for the Doc office, and they have to get 10 at a time. Dr Scheerer AnnArbor ###-###-#### but I don't know if there taking new patients.
Here's a book I'm going to read "Germs, Biological Warfare, Vaccinations: What You Need to Know" By Gary Null- he does great stuff!
I wanted to wait for the nervous system to develop, and think we give to many to fast for the baby to cope. The co's that make these are not held responsible the way they should be. It's a huge money maker, as is the whole health industry, how ever well meant it is. Like Merck co that had to pull vioxx
http://www.naturalnews.com/022653.html well they turned around and pushed gardasil for HPV. It hasn't been out long, there hasn't been a lot of testing done, so we won't know for a decade if it's a good thing, or a grave mistake. So all I can say is read up, and talk to your Doc.
Good Luck! A.

I got my daughter the mmr at her 2 year check up.. she did get sick the next day. fevers cough and a week later pneumonia.. I dont know if it was related to the shot.

You can certainly hold off on the mmr shot...

wait until she is 2 or 3...

i'm waiting to give my dtr mmr until she's 2/3. when i mentioned it to my dtr's dr, she actually said that she gives it later anyway. so, that's great. yes measles are popping up more and more b/c parents are chosing to not vacinate their child at all. it's different if your child is in daycare or something like that b/c there is a chance that they can be exposed to it, but i don't think there is anything wrong w/waiting a little while.
hope this help....
P.