Adhd - Bayfield,CO

Updated on November 14, 2010
A.N. asks from Bayfield, CO
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My second son has been a ball of fire ever since he opened his eyes , when he was three the doctor told me A. he is ADHD I laughed and said he is three what the heck do you know. Time went on he is almost 7 and is in first grade and now is having a rought time and is in school and can not focus or stay still even pay attentin he is really defient and is just getting worse. I recently had the school tell me he needs to be evaluated for ADD or ADHD it makes sense to me Im at the point that Im agreeing that he is some of the things he does is really off the wall and I ask him why and he says I dont know and then smiles. My husband had ADD and was medicated and told me horror stories. What do I do medicate him to make everyones lives easier including his or look for an alternative and if so does anyone know some? We have cut out the Red Dye # 40 and the sugars and still he is out of sorts we live in a town that is very organically inclined and we eat alot healthier but nothing has changed. The school pyscologist agrees with his teacher that he really needs to be tested for it

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Thank You all for your comments and I have made an appointment to get him evaluated I will be filling you in to ket you know where this journey is taking my family and how it has improved my sons emotions and behavior

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K.H.

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As a teacher and working with parents that have made the choice to put their children on medication, there are some periods where you have to find the right adjustment of medication and that may be hard, but the benefits for some seem to outweight that. I have seen my ADHD students gain more self confidence after being on meds because they can focus in school, do better in school and they do better socially-the results are a happier kid. I would fee the same way about putting medication in my child's body, but if it helps him get through life better, then it is worth it.

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M.R.

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First and foremost, you do not have to make any such choice and your horse way far ahead of your cart. You need an evalution and a treatment plan, and you need to understand ADHD, because you have heard some very popular myth that has led you to think that these are your choices. ADHD is not what you think.

Let me ask you, do you plan on offering your son treatment that is 20 or 30 years old for any medical condition that is making him miserable? You can't judge what happened to you husband as a real yard stick of appropriate ADHD treatment. There are many ways to treat ADHD, just like there are many ways to treat something like high colestorol. First, you find out that you really have high colestorol, and you see your doctor. Then, you try diet and exercise, and if that is not enough, you try medications; sometimes, the problem is so severe, that you try medications along with the other therapys as a first line treatment, but you do what your doctor tells you to do, based on current medical test and medical protocal that is up to date. Some people can't tolerate some medications well, and try new ones, and some don't find any benefit from one drug, when another does the trick. Some find that they cannot tolerate running as excercise, and have sore knees and have to try something different. But, we don't say, my dad tried a medication for his colestorol in 1980, and it was really bad, and the stationary bike he rode back then just fell apart, so I think I will just try to live with this problem....that is abserd, whouldn't you agree?

ADHD has several types, there is no longer an ADD (which should tell you how long ago your husband was treated, his diagnosis has not existed for more than a decade, close to two!) Some develop the "H" some do not. Some are not so Inatentive, and are more physical. Only a full evaluation by either a Developmental Pediatrician or a psychiatrist/ Neuropsychological evaluation combination will be able to tell you for sure. You can also go to a Neurologist, but I have found much better results from the other two combinations.

Brain cells don't touch. There is a tiny space in between each one called a synapes. When we think, our thoughts are carried as electrical impulses. When an impulse reaches the space, our bodies make electrochemicals called neurotransmitters that carry the impuslse to the next brain cell. It happens hundres of millions of times a second every day of our lives. It is completly molecular, and totatlly out of our voluntary control. If the person does not make enough neurotransmitters, or if the neurotransmitter receptors are damaged, we lose track of thoughts and have ADHD.

A child with ADHD cannot rely on his thoughts to travel through his brain with any predictablity. He may not have any trigger for impulse control, becuause the thought of (I should not do such and such because I will get in trouble again) just stops. He loses things even though he knows he won't get to go recess if he comes to class without a pencil. He does the homework, and does not turn it in, even though he knows that he will get a bad grade, and you will take his brother to get ice cream for good grades and leave him home again...and so on, and so on. He can't fix his brain dysfuction alone, so when he says he does not know why, he is telling you the truth, but he is also engaging in very typical ADHD behavior, which is to make light of it (which drives us crazy because we think that they don't care) or they say with defiance "I meant to do that, so..." both of which are easier than saying, "you keep telling me how smart I am, but I don't beleive you because I can't remember before it is too late...I am so stupid...why can't I keep from doing these things..."

Medications are a tool. They will help him to attend to all the very hard work he has to do, but they are never, never, never appropriate alone. Some times theraputic services are appropriate alone, but medication never is, and most often, ADHD pateints will do best wtih both and good, solid medical management that includes some combination of the following therapies: Cognative Behavioral therapy, play therapy, social skills classes, speech therapy, Occupational therapy, medical interventions, and educational/behavioral interventions. It is tons of hard work for his doctors, his therapists, his teachers, you and him. It is not the case that you "give him a pill" to make everyone's lives eaiser, your life is about to get really, really hard, but he will be successful and make incredible progress if you get him into many hours a week of standard treamtent and care.

Medication is so different than your husband remembers, there are litterally hundreds of choices now, many classes of medication to try, and one will probably work for your son, but every single one will not, just like any other illness or condition, you may have to try something to see if it will help. If he has a side effect, you stop, and you try something else. Something will help him.

The "Alternatives" you mentioned, I hope, were therapies, and not supplements, over the counter stuff, diet, or other treatments that are more DIY. These things will not be included in a standard treatment plan from a Developmental Pediatrican or a Psychiatrst. My advice is to try standard care, it is not flashy, it is not a cure, but it will produce progress.

Your school has made it easy for you. Write to them and ask for an evaluation because you suspect that your son has a disablity, you will sign a consent form, and you will have to provide the medical evidence from your evaluation that he has ADHD, the school cannot do this. They are there to evaluate him for his educational needs resulting form his disablity, not to diagnose and treat his disorder, which crosses the medical/educational boundaries. You should leran to advocate well (www.wrightslaw.com) and provide all that he needs privately that you cannot get from school. You should expect to provide more services than the school does. Ask for something called a Fuctional Behavioral Assessment to be done along with his evaluation. You need to get him a behavior plan as soon as you can so that he only gets possitive behavioral interventions and recieves supports for his behavior issues in school and does not have the issues fester.

Never know less than the school about your son, so get the private evaluation too. You need it to keep them honest and to know more about what your son needs than the school does.

Read anything by Dr. Mel Levine, or Dr. Russel Barkely. Look up CHADD in your area, and get a subcription to attitdues magazine. NAMI has great classes for care givers too, and remember to take good care of yourself, this can be a very stressful diagnosis.

M.

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K.P.

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The medications used for ADHD when we were young were very harsh and wreaked havoc on children's growing systems. Meds today are very different.

You should never medicate a child for a condition without the following:
1. Diagnosis from a psychologist NOT THE PEDIATRICIAN
2. Attempting behavioral interventions that are proven effective for children with mild/moderate ADHD
3. Having the school also agree to support him under Section 504 of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Seriously- talk with the principal or school psychologist about this type of plan. It is NOT special education, but does make sure that your child has appropriate accommodations in school.

If you do all of the above and after 6 months or so the behaviors are not measurably better (have the teacher keep charts and records), then explore a medication trial with a developmental pediatrician (different from your general ped) or a psychiatrist.

Most will want to start with a non-stimulant like Stratera. For children with more "hyperactivity", this is not typically successful and they need the stimulant component. The downside is that there is no "set protocol" for ADHD children b/c they are all different and require trial-and-error.

Meds work for kids who need them and if you were talking about another medical condition (like diabetes) you wouldn't think twice about trying meds when the behavioral modifications are not working. Keep that in mind- true ADHD is a neurological condition, not a behavior problem. The behavior problems are a symptom of the condition.

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C.S.

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I have ADD and didn't know it until a year ago and I'm 38.
I always knew my brain worked differently then everyone else, I think since I didn't have the hyperactivity portion i flew under the radar more, (plus back then it wasn't call anything -except lazy kid or whatever). I take medication and it has changed my life. You have to make that decision on your own with your dr, but please know there are meds out there that def help. Focalin for one-just gives me the focus I need and cuts down on my impulsivness.

There is a GREAT book-Driven To Distraction that I would recommend you get-it's even written by a psychologist WITH ADD.

I'd also suggest CHADD-it's an organization for families dealing with ADHD-you can google it.

Also-it's genetic so your husband being ADD makes it pretty likely your children will be.

Good luck!

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M.J.

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Hopefully Martha will chime in. If she does, read her response carefully because she always has excellent advice.

Medication today is nothing like it used to be. Doctors understand ADHD so much better now and there are so many different medications out there, that you can customize based on your child's specific needs. You don't medicate as a "quick fix," you do it because it helps your child lead a happy, normal life. It works for ADHD in the same way that glasses help me see. Our son's life was transformed by medication in such a positive way. Please, please, if you get a diagnosis, address your specific concerns with the psychiatrist before ruling out medication.

Alternative treatments have been shown not to help with ADHD. There are a lot of scams and there is a lot of misinformation out there. You want to seek treatment through board-certified specialists, not minimum wage health store clerks.

In addition to medication, you will want to pursue behavioral therapy and other forms of therapy as needed to manage the condition. Medication alone won't address all of the issues you're facing, most importantly because it doesn't last the entire day.

Check out the website for ADDitude magazine (www.additudemag.com) and CHADD (www.chadd.org) for factual information about ADHD.

Best of luck to you as you pursue a diagnosis and treatment plan.

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S.B.

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well, my MIL treated my BIL by cutting all junk food and sugar (except natural sugars, like fruit) out of his diet. It sounds silly, but it worked and he never had to be put on medication.

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A.M.

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As a mother of a 7 y.o. boy with ADHD, my heart goes out to you. It can get better and probably will. This question comes up a lot on here, so here's my usual response:
-Read all you can about ADHD and educate yourself because you will be your child's best advocate.
-Don't let anyone talk you into a definitive treatment (usually no one stand-alone thing will work by itself); do your research about all suggestions.
-Every child is different and diagnosis can present different in terms of severity and areas most affected.
-Although I hate labels and never tell him he has ADHD (we only discuss specific behaviors), the diagnosis has helped immensely with getting him help at school. We took him to a developmental pediatrician for diagnosing. In school, we went the IEP (not 504) route and he has an aide in the afternoon to help with attention/focus; gets to do computer time as a reward for completing all his work; attends a social skills group; gets extra time on timed tests; can't be suspended for behavior issues; and other additional supports as he needs. This has been very helpful and I have seen much improvement since I transferred him from a Charter school (with no support) to a public school (in Gilbert).
-We've do fish oil; not sure if it really helps but it can't hurt. We've used a lemon flavor one from the health food stores and the gummies (probably not as good).
-We do limit processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, sugary snacks, etc. Can't say I notice a significant difference but that stuff can't be good for you.
-We give him coffee before school and give him a water bottle with Crystal Light Energy for school. This did help. 100 g of caffeine has the same effect as 5 g of Ritalin. Caffeine is a vasodilator (increasing blood flow to the brain) and actually helps these kids attend.
-Initially, he received speech therapy (to slow down, enunciate, etc), occupational therapy (to address sensory/movement needs), and play therapy - all through private insurance since he didn't qualify through school. These helped initially.
-We sit by him to complete homework quickly and efficiently. We don't engage him but will redirect him while we do our own work.
-We limit electronics to 30 minutes/day and will take it away completely if having a tough day. Electronics are overstimulating and can worsen the problem.
-Disciplining is very different for these kids. I have found spanking and yelling to have detrimental effects (they may work as a last resort for typical kids but not with ADHD). I do still hold him accountable (although I know how difficult self-control is for him), there are consequences for his actions and he looses privileges (e.g. computer time). I try to reward good behavior to decrease possibility of needing to punish bad behavior. I have found "Love and Logic" and "I Can Problem Solve" (by Myrna Shure) to be helpful with my son.
-I tried Rescure Remedy by Bach (a natural product) with no noticeable difference but some people swear by it.
-My son was also premature and I believe his frontal cortex is immature, hence his impulsivity and sensory issues
-I am staying away from medications as long as he can function well enough because of the side effects.
-My son is a cognitive learner so we do a lot of talking and explaining his actions and possible results, etc. We have seen this help but it is a gradual, daily process.

Be patient even when you can't stand it anymore. Shower him with love, acceptance and support! All the best to you and your unique child. I'd be happy to answer any other questions you may have.

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M.H.

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Hi A.,

My youngest daughter was the same way. She had a diagnosis of ADHD and we refused to medicate. My sister, a retired social worker, suggested we detox our home by removing all the toxic chemicals so we tried it. Within a few hours I noticed a difference. I homeschool and I was having trouble teaching her to read. I had been trying for a while and was stumped as to why it wasn't happening. Within 8 weeks of the detox I had her on grade level reading and excited about school. Her doctor REMOVED the diagnosis. She is 15 now, a great student, focused and a joy to parent and teach.

I know you can't detox the school or the mall or other places that you spend time but detoxing at home will build the immune system so it is strong enough to battle the chemicals in other places. Detoxing is really simple and can be inexpensive if you do it the way I did. If you're interested in going this route, let me know. I'd be glad to walk you through it!

God bless,

M.

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D.L.

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Just read somewhere that sleep deprivation mimics ADHD symptoms. You should make sure you son is getting his 10 hours of zzzzzs per night.

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I haven't read the other posts but I wanted to let you know I am in the exact same situation. We have suspected for a few years that my 6 year old has it (as well as his little brother). His father and all of his siblings has/had it. And even my son's father's father says he has adult ADHD. My husband (his stepdad) and I waited an extra year to put him in Kindergarten because of his issues. He's in Kindergarten this year and is struggling so bad to stay focused in class. He's a sweet kid and isn't defiant in class, his teacher says he honestly tries but just can't. He does strange things in class and can often be found running around, under the table or distracting other kids. She's had to make special daily sheets so she can be distriptive about his behavior. Sometimes she has to send him out of the class to complete his work or during rest time. Like your son, he is also being evaluated by the school counselor. Both his teacher and I have filled out an extensive questionaire for the counselor as well as his Dr. We've tried punishing him for his behavior but it doesn't help and probably destroys what shred of confidence the poor kid has, so we quickly nixed that idea.

He is very smart but we feel his issues will prevent him from excelling to his full potential. If we don't put him on meds, within the next year or two, he's going to become the class outcast, he's going to struggle worse as school work gets harder, and he'll probably lose his friends for bizzare behavior. I know there is controversy over meds, but if it can help him blend in with his peers and be successful in school, then I feel like we have to try it. My Dr. said that the majority of people who try to manage it naturally end up coming back for meds as school gets more difficult. By then, the self esteem can be really damaged and classmates already have formed their opinion that they are outcasts, the kid to make fun of. I look at my son and I want to do what is best for him. It's so tough. My husband says, whatever decision we decide I will probably regret, but he will be happy with whatever we decide. I sincerely wish you the best of luck...If you'd like to share our experiences, email me privately!

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you may want to read driven to distraction. i think everyone's add and most of us can cope, yet some cannot. this book helped me understand what my son has to deal with on a daily basis. i didn't want to believe this either about my son at such an early age and by the 4th grade he came to me asking for help. he's add (diagnosed by many). he's on a small amount of medication (which i was extremely against medications prior to having this situation in my own backyard). the medications work extremely well, us parents and his teachers can tell if he didn't take a pill right away. he is in the 8th grade and has told me that he wants to take the medication because he feels like it helps him. this is all the affirmation that i need. we recently got an iep prepared so it will be ready for high school next year. he's maturing and able to handle situations better each year, yet he still can't process easy things that most of us can handle. ps. yes he eats healthy, yes, we've cut out dairy for a full year, yes, he exercises 5 days a week which I still feel has been essential.
good luck...

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