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Statistically alone, chances are good that the parents are involved. and then their actions and behavior aren't helping their case. I think it's likely that the parents are involved in this girl's disappearance.
i got a little upset today, watching the news and listening to the radio here. have you all heard about baby Lisa that disappeared Tuesday night? well the media is of course all over it, they are on tv every single day talking about their daughter...and now everyone is basically bashing them because they "quit cooperating" with the police. HELLO. the police told them they were not suspects and they were free to come and go as they please - and after several hours of interrogation the father asked if he could leave, he was needing a break. and an hour later the KCMO police deptartment are on the tv at a press conference saying the parents weren't cooperating anymore, and it's going to make the investigation a lot harder, blah blah blah. now i understand the police are not grief counsellors, they're not even in customer service. their job isn't to make the parents comfortable or keep them happy. but these parents are in a NIGHTMARE right now. and the news and radio dj's are just all over them for "now refusing to cooperate", and a dozen other "fishy" things about this case...i just want to tell them, LEAVE THEM ALONE! none of us knows how insane/crazy/out of our minds we'd be if we found one of our children missing - THANK GOD!! who are we to dictate what the "correct" response is? i find it ridiculous that this couple is being judged so harshly...of course maybe down the line we'll find out they had something to do with it (god forbid), but until then, to me this is a hysterical, desperate mom and dad trying to get their daughter back. they are confused and terrified and i'm so sorry if their actions aren't what a normal sane functioning human being might find appropriate. so my question...is the "Nation" really turning against the Irwins??
thanks Cheryl, yes the lie detector keeps getting brought up and i think that's bs too...and the fact that there were cell phones being 'Programmed" sitting on the counter. so what? it just really bugs me. i know there are sickos out there (i mean parent sickos) and "things" happen and people try to cover it up....and i will be just as angry and upset as the next person if that is the case here...but i just feel SO bad for them. probably because they are about a 20 minute drive from me...and because i am a sucker...but still...i wish people wouldn't be so quick to jump on them....
Statistically alone, chances are good that the parents are involved. and then their actions and behavior aren't helping their case. I think it's likely that the parents are involved in this girl's disappearance.
I agree adansmama:). I think too many people, including those on this site, are way to quick to judge. Until you have walked in those shoes you really can not say what you would do or how you would act...
Probably. Most of us don't want to believe a random kidnapper will come into our children's room and steal them. I want it to be the parents, if it has to be anyone. As I said earlier, I find it too convenient. The ONE night the father works a night shift. The ONE night the mother has the window and door unlocked. The ONE night all cellphones are at home. (What kind of electrician works without their phone, anyway?) The kidnapper comes through a window and wakes up a 10 month old. I'm assuming you've raised a child or children? Waking a baby from a deep sleep, is NOT quiet. So the kidnapper has this baby, makes his/her way through the home turning on lights while people are there, with a BABY they just woke up, and take all the cellphones, that are conventionality sitting out. The police have no other leads. You can only look at the direction evidence takes you in. The parents also made a "deal" with major media outlets, and refuses to talk to local. Who makes a deal when their child is missing?? I sure did see a lot of what looked like crying in her interviews, but no tears.
As a parent, I would sit in an interrogation for hours, days, weeks, if that's what it took. I would volunteer everything I had. I would not cut off communication, because innocent people don't usually do that. For the record, the police said she failed the polygraph "miserably." I think it's common to show some deception on a polygraph, given the stress of the situation. However, I'm not sure it's common to fail miserably. Especially, when your professing your innocence to every major news outlet who will give you something.
Yes, I'm skeptical. And, I'm already pissed at the thought of them commiting a crime and leading the nation and police on. Did they do it? Maybe not. Is it fair that myself and many other people think they probably did? You have a point, it's probably not fair. However, when you are being INVESTIGATED, you help. You don't stop helping, you don't make deals. You HELP. That's what innocent people do. When a kid is involved, you bet I'm pissed if it seems like a parent did something.
I absolutely hope this baby is found safe, and I jumped to the wrong conclusions. It seems past that point, but then look at the other cases where children were found alive. That is what everyone hopes for, a baby found alive and well.
I find it odd that the baby got stolen from the house. So I'm sort of thinking one of the parents has something to do with it. I think I only feel that way because we always hear these stories and 9 times out of 10 it is the parent....... so sorry to say I'm sittin here pointing a finger at the parents too until I get more info. Wish I didnt feel that way though. I'm sure if they are innocent they are in total torment. I think if it were me I'd talk to the cops and the media until I was blue in the face, I doubt I would ask to be excused from an interrogation, I'd be a manic blubbering mess. They'd probably want a break from me instead! I havent seen any of the coverage, I'm just going by what you wrote, so take it with a grain of salt.
Only time will tell.....many mothers and fathers cried out "my baby", only later to find out one or both killed their innocent child/children. I pray that the child will be found alive, and the family will be reunited.
Because you care and wish for the best outcome, does NOT make you a sucker.
Blessings....
I actually believe the police have everything to gain by lying about the parents cooperating. It's just more of a ploy to turn up the heat on the parents so that they will break down and confess.
But, I don't believe the parents.
You write that: "who are we to dictate what the "correct" response is? i find it ridiculous that this couple is being judged so harshly"
Actually...that's what the FBI missing persons unit (which I have read is involved in this case) does. They know what typical responses are like and judge that against decades of data on what people normally do in given situations. When things don't follow behavioral norms, there are usually reasons (like guilt or covering up involvement).
Nothing about this adds up. I hope for the best outcome possible or barring that, at least the truth.
I took a news writing class in college with an AP bureau chief who had been heavily involved in covering the Jon Benet Ramsey case. He also covered (and eventually helped blow wide open) a story called the Fells Acres case which was a daycare scandal that turned out to be a lot of fiction. During this class, the Louise Woodward case (the nanny accused of shaking a baby to death) was being covered. It was fascinating to see these through the eyes of a media expert who had covered them all. It made me appreciate the enormous role that media plays in cases involving children and how there is so much more to these cases than the public ever sees.
I don't want to think it is the parents but nothing makes sense in this case.
What I don't understand about your post is why you think the police are lying about them not cooperating? They have nothing to gain by lying, the mom and dad have everything to gain by lying yet you believe them. Why?
You have no proof the parents are telling the truth about what happened, whether they did say they will no longer cooperate with the police, you only have what he said on TV. The police on the other hand have proof they have not come back because they have not come back.
I don't understand your need to protect the parents. They may have killed their own child. A ten month old child may have died! You are worried about the parents that may have done it?
Sorry but I am more worried about Lisa.
Im on the fence still. Yesterday or the day before, I can't remember, I watched their first television announcement or plea or whatever you want to call it on the news. I found it weird that the Father wasn't emotional at all while he spoke, and the Mother couldn't control her sadness and tears. I don't know what to think. I have heard about the lie dectector thing, but haven't seen it on the news myself yet. I do know that my husband thinks they did have something to do with it, we talked about it last night. It is just strange to me that there is no leads, no clues, nothing. The baby vanished into thin air it seems.
I don't know anything about the story!
Innocent until proven guilty . . .
In the beginning they mentioned Lisa had a cold and didn't feel well. At ten months old a sick miserable baby can wear on your nerves. I can see how a mother with a sick child can be at her wits end and something could happen and she snaps. I honestly believe she truly loves her little girl but something happened that night and the tears are from guilt and grief and mourning over the loss of her child no matter how it happened. Out of anger you can shake a baby or put them down in bed too hard or we all hear the news about accidents that happen. My heart aches for the parents and for the other two children in the house. I feel they needn't look further than the one who saw her last. Sorry...that's just my gut feeling.
Yes, I watched them for a while this morning, trying to decide what I thought. They came off as innocent to me. I have to relate: I once failed a lie detector test when I was telling the truth. It was a question about drug use for a job at a drug company. I can't remember the questions, but although I answered their questions truthfully, I was not completely innocent of drug use in my life, so I failed the test.
We're all entitled to our opinons but I don't like being told not to judge or some moms on this site are too quick to judge, etc. esp. coming from people who say they haven't even been following the case!!! We're not judging them as we're not on a jury here. It's just our opinons and we have the right to express them (thank you freedom of speech!). We were asked for our opinon and that is just that - OUR opinon.
This case is just not adding up and everything seems to be pointing to the parents and statistically speaking It IS more likely than the parents did it than anyone else. Are we ALL supposed to sit here and act like we don't think the parents did it just because it upsets some to read our comments about how we think the parents were probably involved? Puhleaze. The police are focusing on the parents and they have more info than we do!
Yes, the police/law enforcement focused on the Ramsey's (as I think I was the first to point out on this site in regards to this case) but I think they've learned since then not to automatically assume it's the parents but at the same time they know that most of the time it is the parents! So I hope they're looking at all leads & clues and I'm pretty confident that they are.
I honestly believe it was an accident but they're trying to cover it up. I don't think they meant to do something to her. But that's just *MY* HMO.
I have been watching the coverage about this case too and it just makes me ill to think about what this family and that child must be going through. I so want to believe these parents too, but I just can't figure how there are no leads or any clues at all to go on. I hope there is a happy ending to it all, but with each passing day it concerns me. Now I have heard they are searching a landfill for human remains because there was a dumpster fire reported at 2:30am the same evening as the abduction not far from the Irwin home. Such a sad situation. I just keep praying for that baby's safe return.
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Obviously, no one here knows the truth. Its our own opinion. But, with that said---I think the dad has GUILTY written all over his face. The mom was super emotional and the dad looked like he couldn't care less about his baby...he had no emotion when answering any questions etc. The mom on the other hand was very distraught. Its hard to say, but that is my gut feeling--that the dad had something to do with it.
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I haven't followed the case other than the few posts I've seen here today. The police statement may very well be a play to rattle the parents or get someone who knows something to come forward. It isn't the first or the last time police have lied to suspects or about a case trying to get more information. I don't think "The Nation" has enough knowledge to make a decision. The police need to do their job and sadly they won't always be nice about it. I just hope they figure it out soon...the sooner hopefully the less heartbreak there will be, even though it seems it can't be good.