Husband's Bruised Ego

Updated on November 06, 2008
E.S. asks from New Kensington, PA
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OK, how would you all have handled this? There's some background here, so bear with me. When we moved back to my husband's hometown 7 yrs ago, we befriended the family next door to my MIL's, who had a daughter my son's age. We soon found out that the wife had friends that my husband knew briefly when he was little (around 8 or 9 yo). He remembered these women somewhat, but apparently he had left a BIG impression on them, especially the one (Linda). At a gathering our mutual friends had about a yr after we moved back, this woman came up to him and told him how mean he had been to her when they were little. My hubby, Ron, said that he didn't remember anything, but that he was sorry if he had upset her (30 yrs earlier!). She laughed about it and said it didn't matter, but obviously it does because every time we see Linda at our friends' she makes comments about how nasty he was, or she can't believe he disciplines his kids considering his past. We see this woman about 2 or 3 times a year, very little obviously, but she always brings it up (for 7 yrs now). Tonight I took my 2 little ones to our friends' for a Halloween party and Linda was there again. Ron stayed home with our oldest because he was being punished. She eventually asked where he was, and when I told her she mentioned again about how surprised that he is a disciplinarian. I touched on the fact that he's really good with the kids and then changed the subject. When I got home my hubby asked if she made any cracks and I told him. Now he's upset with me because I didn't defend him and tell this woman off. My argument is that it would've made the situation uncomfortable for everyone in the room, and this woman isn't worth the breath it would take to tell her off. If she were talking about him nasty in the present I would be offended and say something, but she is stuck in the past. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and now I can think of things to have said that would've gently given her the idea to can it, but at the moment I was like "Not again, get over it, you were 8!"

Any ideas on how to smooth my hubby's ruffled feathers? I still don't think it's a big deal, but my husband is really irritated about it.

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So What Happened?

Thanks to everyone for their responses. By late last night my hubby admitted that he overreacted a little, and I had already apologized twice for not defending him more vehemently. Then we both laughed because I kept telling him the things I thought to tell her AFTER the incident, like "Linda liked Ronnie, Linda liked Ronnie!", or "Is your husband so inadequate that you have to hang on to some childhood fantasy about mine!" He agrees that for the kids' sake and for the hostess' sake, my response was the most appropriate at the moment. But we both agree that next time (which won't be until sometime next summer probably), enough is enough. If one of us has to embarrass her to get the point across that it was 30 yrs ago, so be it. Thanks again for all of the good advice.

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R.M.

answers from York on

I really think you did the right thing too. You did defend him, you said he's good with the kids. You're sticking with the present, no sense going back in time with Linda. But we all know how fragile men can be so I'd remind him how he already did the right thing in apologizing, you did what you thought best in building him up to her and everyone else within earshot, the more Linda brings it up the more ridiculous she looks, and he doesn't even need to defend himself. It's over and he can move on. Tell him not to get sucked back into her issues.

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R.H.

answers from Allentown on

tell them both to grow up! obviously the woman isn't over it! 30 years later and it's what she talks about when you or your hubby come around? tell her to get over it, he's apologized, right? Encourage your husband to not stoop to her level and get upset about you not defending him... hello, it was 30 years ago!!
Next time the woman says something about it, I'd mention "wow, that really was such a long time ago. it'd be great if you would get to know him now that you're both adults".

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B.W.

answers from Erie on

Hi E.,
I would probably have handled it poorly. You are right, the woman needs to grow up. Maybe the better way to handle her is to ask her questions about the present and the future. Obviously you have no real relationship with her, and so when she sees you, she talks about the only thing she seems to know about and that's the past. If she makes a dumb comment again, you could say, "You know, this is getting old." Or, "It's one thing for a child to be rude, it's another thing for an adult to act that way." She might catch on, and she might not. Or, "So how are you any better?" Unfortunatley, the resorts don't resolve the situation, they just make it worse.

When I was a kid, we moved. I knew EVERYONE in the neighborhood we'd moved FROM, but in the new neighborhood, it was hard to make friends. There was one girl, across the street and my sister and I played with her. There were a bunch of boys, and in the winter, they took aim with snowballs as we walked to or from school. Once, when visiting my mom as an adult, with kids, I discovered that the one in my class now owned his mom's home, and lived there with his wife. We had similar aged kids, so we ended up talking, I loved his wife, and I also discovered that he has grown up into a loving and very responsible man. I wish I'd been able to have seen him as a person back then, rather than the as a kid whom I'd been afraid when I was a child.
I wasn't rude enough to tell his wife what I'd thought of him when i was a kid, because, honestly, I thought it said more about me than about him ! I'd put him in a box in my mind, and that's where he stayed until I met his wife and kids.

You might ask her if that's the only thing she remembers from her childhood. You might tell her that if she looked beyond her first impressions of people, that she might find they are worth knowing.

I suspect your husband simply paid no attention to her in the past, brushed her off, or whatever. And she got her nose out of joint. And it's probably not going to change, because he isn't about to spend the time it would take to soothe her bruised ego. And he shouldn't spend that kind of time with her. While she is a pain in the butt, and she is chronically rude, she is probably embarrassing EVERYONE, not just you and your honey. Are there other people you can hang with that do not include this lady ? It seems that you need a different and more interesting circle of friends.

And as far as your husband goes . . . just reassure him of all the reasons you married him, and why you continue to love him. there are always going to be jerks in our environments, but if we tune them out, we stop hearing them. (another approach to her, is to use "behaviorism" on her. Ignore her comments so resoundingly that it's as if she never spoke. Her words will lose their effect immediately. This works best if you can also come prepared with lines of your own that totally change the subject, as if she never said her nasty comment at all. And really, it is a childish thing she is doing, and not worthy of hearing. If the town is small enough that you have no choice but to run into her repeatedly, that's probably the best approach. Simply change the subject, or ask someone else something, as if you never heard her nasty words -- when she fails to non-plus you, she will find a better way to get attention.

and the amazing thing, is that it REALLY works. I've had it used on me. . . . and I knew it was happening on purpose, and it worked really well anyway !!

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P.S.

answers from Philadelphia on

Maybe the next time she says something about him being mean, you (or your hubby) should respond by saying something like "I can tell that must have really hurt you, you bring it up every time we see you" This acknowledges her hurt but also puts her on notice that she is being obnoxious by repeating herself. Your husband's apology was sufficient. If she brings it up again I would just smile and change the subject.

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K.K.

answers from Erie on

Ok, I know this discussion is mostly over, but it has been bothering me so much since I read it this morning that i have to post.

You stated in your update, that hubby has calmed down and is pretty much over it. And for the record I think YOU handled it perfectly.

I read through your responses and judging by that i'm the only one who thinks there is still much to be cleared up.
It wouldn't matter if you didn't keep running into this Linda, but since you do, I'm just going to offer my perspective.
number one--- what exactly did hubby do that was "mean"??? I think our standards for what is considered "Bullying", "Sexual Harrassment" "Animal Abuse" etc are much stricter now a days. and that is a good thing. What he did might have been very serious. When she keeps talking about no believing he is a good father, that sort of sends up red flags to me that what he did, was really out of line, and maybe not just a one time thing. No one else from his past, has given you any clue about what he was like at 8??? And IMHO 8 is old enough to know if you have hurt someone, and old enough to know it is wrong.
number two---- I get that it was a long time ago, but for him Not to Remember what it was that he did to her, Makes it even worse. LIke she wasn't human enough for him to consider what he did wrong. Again, I don't know hubby or what he did, this is just a possibility.

number three--- When you say he apologized, was it a real sincere, look her in the eyes, acknowledge what he did and take responsiblity for it?????, or what it a "Hey lady so sorry you are upset" ( but i'm not really sorry because i don't even know what i did to you) I"m just saying this so you'll go way---Brush Off

That might be all she needs if for him to really aknowledge that her hurt her and for her to see him in action, interacting with him kids positively.
I don't mean any of this to come across "meanly" myself. I just didn't see anybody else offer a different perspective. I think if you feel comfortable sitting down with her and airing it all out Then great, I doubt i could do that with someone i just see occasionally. But maybe if he (or you) put yourself in her place for a minute you'd be better able to really brush it off, since if he is asking about her snide comments and blowing up at you over not defending him then he's not over it either.

I do hope it all works out for you guys, it really stinks not to be able to relax at get-togethers and i'm sure your kids wouldn't want to give up their friends over this lady. Just curious, does she act obnoxious with other people??
anyhow, good luck.

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R.B.

answers from Philadelphia on

You did the right thing for your child's sake. Obviously your husband grew up and this woman has not. Perhaps if HE confronted the situation with her and ask why she always feels the need to make these comments. I can understand how he feels you did not defend him, but explain that you took the high ground. I wonder if it has occurred to her that she has become the bully now?! Good luck.

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K.R.

answers from Philadelphia on

My first question - why hasn't he defended himself in previous conversations with this lady? This is his battle after all. That said.... he's also got a point... but you were not perpared to have to deal with that. Now, you know how he feels, and you have had time to prepare a mature response to her. I would tell your husband "Sorry hunny. If it happens again, I will be sure to let her know that it is not acceptable for her to talk about you like that." There is nothing you can do about the previous encounter.

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K.B.

answers from Harrisburg on

I can understand that he would be upset, but at the same time, why hasn't he stood up for himself and put her in her place, in the nicest of terms. I'm sure he doesn't want to look bad again in her eyes but it sounds like she's getting even by becoming the bully, no matter how passive she is being about it. I think I would have been ticked by her comments myself but it was not the time or place to get into it with her. I would defiantly say something at another time and better place because she's becoming what she's upset about. Just let hubby know that it wasn't the time and place being it was a family gathering with children and if and when the time and place arrives, you'll let her know how you feel if she says something to you again.

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A.F.

answers from Allentown on

Even if you feel it's not a big deal, I would treat it as one for your hubby b/c he feels it is. Seriously tell him your sorry he doesn't feel like you stuck up for him. You were at a loss for what to say to her. And this is Linda's problem, not your husbands. Assure him that he is a great husband and father and she's too childish to grow up and see that. Or maybe make a joke of it...maybe she had a big crush on him!! Maybe your husband just needs to feel like your offended by her comments too so he knows your on his side.
As for this Linda...I agree with other posts that she just needs to put it to rest. I certainly wouldn't get upset about it in front of her. She may be looking for a reaction. When you know there is a possibility of seeing her, be prepared with your comment. Calmly respond..."It was 30 years ago. He's apologized. May I ask what you are looking for from him b/c we've heard this every time we see you for the past 7 years. How do we put this to rest?" You will probably shock her into not knowing what to say which will hopefully make her stop. Maybe she doesn't really how much she's actually done it.
And one last thought...even though it's not really your issue to say something...your husband may just really be looking for you to stick up for him b/c he doesn't know what to do.
Good luck. Hope it gets resolved!

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L.P.

answers from Harrisburg on

Hi E.,

I'd say Linda needs some counselling to get over her past.

I don't know if it would help, but maybe your husband could meet her for coffee or something and have a heart to heart with her and explain that kids will be kids and they can be very mean and that he is apologetic for how he treated her in the past. Maybe she needs this to finally "get over it".

L.

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L.R.

answers from Pittsburgh on

Hi E.,

I think you did the right thing. This woman is obviously trying to get under your (or your husbands) skin and if you were to tell her off you would be giving her the reaction she is desperately trying to recieve. And your right, it would have made an uncomfortable position for the hostess of the party and other guests. I know it's hard to keep your composure in situations like these, but I applaud you for being more mature than she apparently is. She has issues and it's not your problem to fix. I'd bet she abuses other people in ways too. people like her often do. good luck

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M.D.

answers from Scranton on

Have you really tried to put yourself in your husband's shoes? Try to put your self in his situation. It's really obvious that this woman Linda is not given up and needs to be reminded so. With this type of situation, I can see both of your points here. You are taking the high road looking on and moving pass this, but obviously your husband is getting the brunt of it. Enough is enough! He said he was sorry- now it's time to let by gones be bygones!?
I wouldn't being saying anything to this woman since she's not worth your time or your husband, whether this makes anyone uncomfortable or not. It's not her place to ask you where your husband is and what he is doing, even if she's doing it in casual conversations. My response is-he's home, let bygones be bygones eh??? What's it to her, after all this was when they were 8? And more importantly, your husband could be doing the same with his responses-"Hey we were kids, what do you want?" "Did you want to tell my mom?" "When are we going to get past this-cause obviously you haven't grown up!" Be blunt. SOrry that's me.

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D.B.

answers from Philadelphia on

I think your husband is a grown man-he can say something himself next time he sees this woman. He should stand up for himself and tell her something from his mind. Why should you be responsible for cleaning up something in HIS past? He shouldn't be mad at you, he should be mad at this woman. Evidentally he really is, so next time he sees her have him tell her "ENOUGH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D.

D.S.

answers from Allentown on

Hi E.,

I would suggest that you all get together with a conference with all involved.

Call Laura Rush at ###-###-####.

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D.N.

answers from Pittsburgh on

ok- i haven't read anyone else's reply but my immediate reaction to her would be for you to say......"He was 8. Obviously he has grown up and moved past it, don't you think it is time you do the same?"
Smile and then walk away. Make no other mention of it and let it drop. I bet you she realizes what she has been doing, and does the same. Be polite but not warm to her the rest of the party, and I sure she will get the hint. Best of luck!!

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B.D.

answers from Pittsburgh on

It sounds to me as though she has no other 'common ground' with you so she needs to rehash the past. You'd think after 7 years she'd have more to talk about.

If your husband hasn't told her off in the last 7 years that you've been reaquainted then why would he expect you to seize this moment when he wasn't there to tell her off?

I think the only way around it is to ask her flat out sometime 'can't we talk about ____ instead of always bringing up the past since we can't change it?'

We all did things we aren't proud of when we were young. It is part of growing up. Although I've found there are some people who just love to live in the past. Personally I live for the present but that isn't the case with everyone.

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J.I.

answers from Pittsburgh on

I don't understand what he wanted you to say, exactly. You told her how wonderful he is with your kids, and I think that not reacting to her is the way to go. She seems to want something more, a fight or something, since she did not seem to accept his apology and keeps bringing it up. I would just ignore her. I don't think you did anything wrong. However, if it continues to make you and your husband uncomfortable, I see nothing wrong with simply saying he was very young, I'm sorry that he hurt you, but we don't want to talk about it with you anymore. If she doesn't get the point, she's the one now behaving badly, and there is nothing that you can do about it but ignore her.

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D.P.

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E.,
Look, there's probably not a person alive who does not have at least O. single regret from their childhood. But those events (done by CHILDREN with the minds, manners and life experience of CHILDREN!) do not define who we are as adults.
I think this woman needs to hear that sentiment from you or, preferably, from your husband the next time you see her. Ask her if she ever did anything regretful as a child, and ask her if she would like to have it brought up time and time again. This is ridiculous! It has gone on way too long already.
Also, I think it is more your husband's issue that yours and I think it's his responsibility to deal with this woman. Holy cow! 30 years! Obsess much? LOL

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J.P.

answers from Pittsburgh on

This woman needs to give it a rest and thats exactly what I would have told her.

I am a confrontational person if need be and I would have said something like, "Why are you holding on to something that happened 30 years ago? Obviously that was a long time ago, my husband grew up, you grew up and things change. He was a kid back then and didn't know any different and now he's an adult, realized his previous actions and apologized.

She needs confronted and that may put an end to it. Obviously laughing it off hasn't done any good.

Though it does seem like she's a very insecure person still.

Good Luck!

B.K.

answers from Pittsburgh on

Hi E.. I know you don't feel that this situation is a big deal, but trust me, it is. I have been through a similar situation with a family member (my hubby's family that is). The snide little comments, the whispers behind my back--that I always hear or hear of...it is just nasty. And hurtful. I do live with it, do my best to brush it off, but honestly just once I'd love my husband to stand up for me. Even though you don't see this woman often, all it would take to end this is for YOU to look her straight in the eye and give her that calm thought-out response that will end it all. Something along the lines of "Boys do grow up and he's a wonderfull father! Now why don't you leave the past in the past where it belongs?" Sure, it might make for an uncomfortable minute or two...but standing up for your husband is more important! 7 years is a long time to put up with snide, nasty comments. I think it's time for you to put your foot down! And your hubby will feel that you treasure him since you are willing to stand up for him, just as you would expect him to stand up for you and your kids. Best wishes.

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E.F.

answers from Pittsburgh on

It might be worth having him take her aside at one of these gatherings (maybe with you) and say something like, "i know I must have really hurt you when we were children, and I am very sorry. Is there a way we can move past this now, because I don't want to to effect our relationship now?" OK, I know my husband would NEVER say that, but if he won't, maybe you could. I think either a) she's still working past the hurt he caused her (we all have wounds from childhood that we *should* be able to let go of, but can't) or b.) she's just a witch (not the word I was going to use) and is never going to be any better. I'd give her one more chance to "grow up" and then just right her off...

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S.B.

answers from Philadelphia on

Wow. I'm sorry you have to deal with such childish behavior from an adult. Next time she brings it up I would tell her that it is inappropriate to discuss this here & now. Tell her if she really wants to talk about it you could set up an appropriate time/place for the discussion. Also I would ask her what she wants from your husband. He's already apologized, he can't go back & change anything, so what does she want? She may not even realize that she is constantly bringing it up.

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J.K.

answers from Harrisburg on

TBPH, I would talk to the woman about getting a grip and letting go. If she keeps acting like that, I wouldn't want to keep having someone rehash a childhood memory over and over again, much less one that was unpleasent to her.I really can't blame your husband. He must be embarassed that this lady is fixated on something he did many years ago and brings it up around his children too. I would stop going where this lady is if she doesn't stop flapping her gums. 7 years is 7 years to long to have her making comments. Even if you only see her 2 0r 3 times a year that was 14-21 times he has had to have this brought up. Yeah, I can understand why he is annoyed. Your DH has appologized and by you not saying something extreme back to her-you are giving her permission to slander your husband. She made a rude comment about his being the one to be the disciplinarian, you should have stoood up for him a bit more strongly. If this woman is being the bane of your DH's existance then you need to understand and suppport that. Even if you think its silly.

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N.H.

answers from Pittsburgh on

I've been mauling this over too, and my approach is yet different from the others. I think that maybe Linda lacks social skills, certainly as an adult and possibly she always felt a little odd. She wants to connect, and is happy to have one thing to talk to you about. Maybe it would be easier socially, if you had someone else (that you guys are both friendly with) tell her that it is making thigs awkward. She probably doesn't have a clue. That way you can continue to be the mature one, and Linda may grow up eventually, but it will no longer be your problem. I hope that one day soon you and your husband will be able to look at each other and see the humor in this. -:)
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T.D.

answers from Pittsburgh on

I think you did GREAT!!!!! She wants a reaction from you or your husband. I would just walk away and NOT talk to her at all. Good for you.
Jade

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