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I agree with Christy Lee as long as the wife doesn't have his password but from what you say I bet she does
ok moms, i need some support and reinforcement...
my father, who is not a terrible person himself, married literally the wicked witch...long story short, the woman hates me, my mom, and makes no bones about it. so much so that the several times (in the last 15 years since my father married her) that i have tried to have a relationship with my own father, she has been such a B**** about it that he ended up stopping all contact (last count was four times) with no explanation to me. i would think we were on the way to fixing things, we'd exchange a few emails, i even introduced my son to him, and then BAM, he'd disappear and i'd be hurt all over again. my suspicion is that she even got into his email account once or twice and intercepted emails.
after the last time of introducing him to my son (who was about 1 at the time, so he has no memory of it), and the same routine happening, i decided i would NOT put my son through what he put me through all this time, and decided it would be the last time. i just saw this cycle repeating itself and involving my son as time went on, and i put my foot down. i decided i would NOT do this any more with my father. if he was not strong enough to stop this woman from hurting me and mine, over and over again, I WOULD.
most recently, my father's sisters and mom were in town so i invited them, my siblings, and my mom (who was their sister in law and daughter in law for 20 years before all of this, and they all bear each other no ill will - they wanted to see each other) to my house for lunch. my "stepmom" found out about it and went on a tirade towards my mom, in front of my aunts and grandma and brothers. she's just very vindictive, irrational, and hateful. she has written hundreds of pages of hateful emails to people in my family.
anyway, i give some back story to explain, i don't hate my father, but it has been proven to me that i will never be allowed to have a relationship with HIM, independent of HER. therefore it's not going to happen. period. not for my sake but for my child's. it's sad and it's not fair but that's what it is. i feel i have always met him MORE than halfway, just to have that relationship ripped from me time and again. so that's where i'm coming from.
well guess what. i guess it must have been a few years and now it's time he thinks it's a good idea to "try" again. he's requested to be my friend on fb. i guess until she finds out, right?
sooooo i need some comfort. i am so sick of this cycle. i think a part of me knew this was coming, he has been clean and sober (alcoholic) for some time and i had seen him leaving comments on mutual friends' pages, and he sounds healthier than he's been in a long time.
but that doesn't change the facts. if for one moment i could believe that "we" could be okay and "she" wouldn't do her damndest to ruin it at some point (she is bipolar and has the most random, illogical way of "deciding" when to fly off the handle - the majority of the time i don't believe she is medicated) i might be temped. as it is, i just feel guilty for shutting him out. he's not a bad person. he's weak and he's broken and he has zero self confidence (otherwise he'd stand up for himself and his children and the relationships she has single-handedly ruined) but it would be easier if he was just vicious like she is. i just can't subject my son to that. please remind me i'm doing the right thing...right?
i kind of agree with what you guys have said about accepting his fb request. i'm not sure how to block someone who isn't my friend though...will have to look into blocking her. (**ETA: i found her and went to the little wheel thingy next to where you'd message someone, and i blocked her. SO, are we sure that she now can't see anything i write or pics i post? i already had everything set to private so i am hoping that she couldn't before either, but if i understand right, if we have mutual friends, she can still see some of my stuff? so blocking prevents that?)
so now i'm paranoid that she will notice i blocked her "coincidentally" right when he and i become "friends". she is the type to spy on me if she could, so i wonder if she will start trouble now because of this....grr.
in the meantime, would you say anything to him? "this is as far as it goes" or "i can't allow you or your wife to hurt my son so this is all you get" (only nicer of course) or anything? there is sooo much i would like to say, but most of it would just hurt him and start more drama so i don't want to get into it...thoughts? thanks as always moms, you guys rock!
**last edit (maybe!?) ....
i un-blocked her. because we have about 12 mutual friends already....so although my profile and pics etc are all private, she has been able to see probably comments i've made, etc, on other people's stuff....
part of me doesn't want to rock the boat, i admit that...BUT also, i'm not afraid of her. i'm not afraid of showing her, or him, how happy i am and how much i love my friends and family. let 'em eat their hearts out. i'm not going to hide now.
and what someone said about him having responsibility in this, oh yes, i agree completely. i have to battle blaming her ENTIRELY, and forgetting that he is a grown adult who made these decisions and continues to make them every day. hmm. i will continue to chew on this and pray about it and see where it goes. haven't accepted his friends request yet...we'll see.
thanks again moms!
I agree with Christy Lee as long as the wife doesn't have his password but from what you say I bet she does
I most definitely think you are doing the right thing. Mostly. In person no, I wouldn't want to see him either, because lets face it, your step mom is insane from what you have written. Who wants to be around that? And why your Dad hasnt said anything to her about shutting up, is beyond me. So I dont think anyone can blame you for not wanting to be involved in all that drama again, and subject yourself and your family to more hurt.
But, on Facebook if he wants to be your friend, then I think maybe you should let him. "He sounds healthier than he's been in a long time" so what harm would it be to let him see pictures of you and your son, and family? Let him comment on how beautiful you all are, and let him feel like he has some connection with you all. It is a way of letting him be in your life without actually letting him hurt you in "real life" type thing.
Let him comment on your status updates, and photos etc. And possibly ease back into being a real Dad. Make sense? If any drama occurs by this crazy woman then there are ways of limiting what can be seen on your page, or all else fails, delete him and done.
You dont have to be her friend, but maybe you should give it a shot online with your Dad, he obviously still loves you, and you do too, so give it a chance and see what happens. You never know until you try, and this way YOU have the control, not anyone else.
Best wishes to you.
I haven't read the other replies, but it really is as much his fault as hers. I don't know his story, but calling him "weak" and "broken" and laying it ALL on her isn't fair. He chose her, he continues to choose her, and he won't stand up for himself even though he has loving family. HE needs to make the choice to get help and make his life better. If you want a relationship with him, you'll have to find a way that feels safe for you. But you'll have to accept that it may not happen. You have to protect your family from her, and that whole unhealthy mess.
Allow him to friend you on FB.
But find her and BLOCK her first so she cannot even see your profile or what you post.
Problem solved.
Prayers for you! I hate to say it, but she probably knows (or will figure out) his password for Facebook. Then if she logs on under his name - she will see everything. I would ask him to contact you via phone at a certain time where he knows he is alone and then tell him you very much would like a relationship with him, but given the track record, you're not sure if you can withstand another let down due to his wife's overbearing and jealous behavior. Tell him you miss him and want him to have a relationship with you and your child, but cannot suffer the pain of "losing" him again to this woman.
By this point in your relationship, I don't think it's too much to ask for an ultimatum with him. Tell him that your relationship needs to be free from the wife, and that he needs to tell her that he is going to see you/spend time with you and that she needs to accept it. Look at it this way, maybe if he stands up to her, things will change. If he cannot do this, then I'm afraid there cannot be contact.
It's a shame she cannot see what she is doing to your father. She sounds crazy. Life is too short to endure painful relationships. You need to do what is best for your mental stability and your child's development and understanding of loving family relationships. Hers is not one of that, and if your father cannot separate her from the situation, then he has chosen his path.
As for Facebook - go to your privacy settings and you can block her from seeing anything about you. Don't just do it in your status posts. I would also recommend any of your other family members or friends who don't care for her
to do the same.
Thinking of you!
You are doing the right thing. What happens when she aims her craziness on your son? What then? Your responsibility is to your son and to expose him to kookoo for cocopuffs is not in his best interest.
If he asks why I would say that over the years he has subjected you and yours to his nutty wife and as a mom you will not allow crazy into your sons life. Make your Dad prove that he is your Dad and see if he will stand up to his wife. Make him go the extra mile. If it is important to him, he will. If not, you have your answer.
I am so sorry that you are going through this. I just can't imagine having a parent allowing someone to treat their child in this manner.
She can be as evil as a devil, it's your dad responsability to keep his relationship with you guys...it seems unreal she can really drive him like a puppet, unless he completely lacks backbone or something. But if this is the case, the only way to go is to make him feel comfortable and avoid confrontation with his "boss". So sad, though...I am sorry!!!
If you haven't already, I suggest that you talk with your father and tell him how you feel. If he "get's it" and is willing to stand up to his wife, then try again. Do not include your son until you've been involved long enough to feel comfortable that this relationship is going to work this time. But if he's not willing to make that commitment for your sake then don't try again.
Facebook would be a relatively safe way to test this out.
You're concerned about hurting him. hmmm he's hurting you. The way to get past the hurt to a satisfactory relationship is to talk about the pain.
You are doing the right thing.
She cannot keep you from seeing/entertaining whomever you wish. Let her have her tirades, she's only making herself look bad.
I agree, that until your father grows a spine and stands up to this monster, you are better off keeping him out of your life.
I'm sorry. That's really sad. :(
Your father's wife sounds, uh, special. I'm sorry she's part of the family. She sounds like she's toxic and feels threatened and insecure. I feel horrible for you, and pity for her. She must be lonely.
Anyway ::shakes it off:: your father chose her and continued to choose her. At any point he could have chosen to establish his position as your father, he could have followed through on his obligations, and had a very rich life full of people that loved him. He made choices not to do that. She may have given him ultimatums, she may have given him orders, she may have given him hell... but she couldn't ever have forced him to stay away from his own children. It was still his choice.
Instead, he's behaved as if it were YOUR obligation as the child in the relationship to maintain and work for the contact and relationship. It seems that maybe something after all this time has shifted. If he's clean and sober, she may not be enabling him or co-dependent anymore. Eh, one can hope, right? Her attitude does sound to me as if she were a substance abuser as well.
With FB, you can not only block her but limit your father's profile too. He can only see what you allow him to see. You can set it up so that he can't write on your walls or photos... but only send private messages. Limit the parameters. It's up to you, and it can be revoked at any time.
My opinion is that you need to at least keep an open line for him. What if he decides to divorce her or she dies? He is your dad and not able to stand up to her. I get that, but I think YOU should be available to your dad, while maintaining that boundary of NOTHING with her. She is not included in any invitations, and block HER from your facebook. Your son can be mostly shielded from this, just don't talk about it in front of him. As far as him seeing his grandpa in person - it's no different than kids whose grandparents live in other countries, and they only see them every few years or rarely or never. I wouldn't make a big deal of it with him, just when it's available to see him, see him. You need to just accept that this is the relationship that you CAN have with your dad, and not say it's all or nothing. My Dad has been gone almost 5 years and I would give ANYTHING to see him. You don't want to be looking back and wishing you had done it differently. The high road is usually the best.
My bfs "step mom" ( dad refuses to marry her thank god) is the same way. I look at his dad as my own father because mine walked out when I was 4 so he means the world to me as well. If she can get in the way she does. And its all about her. I know "Henry" loves her but wow she is a b!*@h. When me and bf moved in together she was up and ready to help him. When we come over we are glared at. I do not let her tear us apart. Bf wanted to give up on seeing his dad and I said no to that. She wants me away I will be around more. She blocks my phone calls, she see's me more, she blocks his facebook well guess what honey I will be over for supper. Nobody takes the only dad I have known and she now knows that.
if HE wanted a relationship with YOU ... HE would make it happen. you should tell him straight out that you want him to be involved in your life but she is not allowing it and he is not standing up and just doing what a man should do. then accept it.
If you block her she cant see anything from you. Not even comments on others pages.