Helping My Sister, Kids with PAS

Updated on March 28, 2011
S.T. asks from Oklahoma City, OK
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Ok, first you probably need to google PAS... How do I help???
Ok, so my (soon to be ex) BIL is brain washing their children against my sister. They have luckily made it to the official separation portion of the divorce and she has full standard custody of the 3 boys (ages 17, 13, and 7) because the judge saw right through his lies about the situation, but BIL has been telling the two older boys that they would get to choose where they wanted to live and just about any other lie you can think about which has made the children really upset with the outcome. And this question is not really about divorce or their relationship, but it has been 18 years of hell pretty much for my sister and her kids, with 9 of those years leaving her living with our mother and her and kids only seeing him on Saturday evenings for 3 hours. Anyway he is telling the kids every lie you can think of... about where and why they live in a trashy place, about where my DH and I live and how awful the town is(because my sister wants to move to this town, one town away from where they live now). The oldest boy is a kind of a lost hope, he is pretty much an adult and he has too much freedom to try and make him stay with her at their house... this in turn makes things worse for the 13 yr old who wants the same freedom his brother has and blames her for not letting him see his dad, even on her weekends. Yesterday was horrible for both of us... Sat they spent the day together she took him to get some new clothes (with tax money not to buy him) and he was awesome and affectionate, then Sun morning at church he just flipped, wouldn't talk, wouldn't eat, wouldn't get out of the car at her house, our mom's house, my house, then when he finally did... he took off running into a field by my house and I got in my car to make sure he did get too far (we live next to a huge open housing addition with just roads for future homes) he managed to get out by the main road and I didn't know he was going to jump out in front of a car, finally was able to chase him(yes like cattle herding with our cars) back to a safe area. Called the crisis intervention unit with the local police they came and talked to him, he got in the car with them, then got in the car with her came back to my house and acted like nothing happened....!!! so frustrating. he won't talk about it, he refuses to go to counseling(because of his dad's lies) and we just don't know how to help. My DH would be awesome as a role model because he has been through this and chose his dad and tells the truth about stuff, but they of course have been lied to about him as well.... logic doesn't help and my main concern is how to keep from making him getting this kind of attention a positive for him, how we get him to open up to any of us, even if not to his mom...we never talk about his dad to him, he doesn't know the truth about why the parents have split up and of course believes lies from his dad about what the reasons are.... I just feel so helpless. He was on the phone with his dad standing a field in the 40 degree cold wind for over an hour. This could go on, but hopefully you have enough info to help…

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C.J.

answers from Dallas on

OK. I did google it - Parental Alientation Syndrome.
So now the rest of the post makes sense to me.
the double whammy is the 13 year old is. . .13. teen years are so hard anyways let alone throwing in a tumultous divorce.
I think the best way for you to help your sister is to pay for family counseling, even for the 17 year old. These kiddos need someone to talk to - not dad, not mom, not aunt. A third party person who is on no one's side. AND then they need this advocate to talk with/to mom and dad about the situation. Married or not they will still be parenting together.

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M.D.

answers from Dallas on

This is just my opinion... I know your sister loves her kids very much and I know you do too as their aunt. I only know what you have wrote and even if their father is a liar and bad man, he's their father. I think your sister just continues to be mom to her children. She has to set up her rules of the house and the actions for not obeying them. She cannot change her ways because their dad is lying to them and making them believe things that aren't true. She needs to sit down with her boys and talk to them. Let them know she loves them very much but she no longer feels she can be married to their dad. She cannot say anything bad about him, they will come to their own conclusion. She has to always be honest with them, let them know her plans, her rules of the house. She may lose her boys for a short time to live with their dad. I think she should tell the boys, hey I will give you one chance, you can live with your dad and if you want to move back with me, then you may do that one time. There will be no coming back and forth. My rules will not change, I will not lie to you to keep you, I will always be your mother no matter where you live, that means I will love you unconditionally.

I think your nephews are just hurting very bad. No matter how you feel about your BIL, that's their daddy and your sister is their mommy. Children are wired to love both parents. Just as parents are wired to love their children (well most parents are). This time is going to be hard on your sister but she will be strong and you are there for her. Don't say anything negative about their dad. Focus on them, on your love for them. Don't change the rules or bend them to make them happy. They will be better and happier in the end if you keep strong boundaries for them. They still need guidance with love.

Hugs going out to all, God will make a way for your sister!

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T.N.

answers from Albany on

I'm sorry about this situation, but it is not a lie that all three boys are old enough (according to our court system) to decide which parent they want to live with. Yuck.

I hope you will continue to advocate anyway for these boys. And perhaps it IS time for them all the know the 'truth' as you see it. They have their own minds, and hearts, and can decide for themselves how they feel.

It's a tragedy when parents cannot focus singularly on what is healthiest for their own children, sigh.

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T.V.

answers from San Francisco on

Please define PAS for us mama's who would like to help, but many probably won't because of your first sentence.

Blessings....

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